Walt then mentioned where the shooters could have been, the TSBD, the Dal-Tex building, the County records building, the Criminal Court house, the South Knoll, several places on the overpass, several places behind the fence, and the storm drain. And they shot with several different types of bullets.

There were also 6 or 7 Oswalds and two Marguerite Oswalds. "And let me tell you one was too many. One of the things the literature tells you is they say Oswald suffered because his father died before he was born. Well, he would have been better off if his mother had died before he was born." Two Marinas, two Rubys and two pairs of Oswald children.

"Now what am I saying? Was there more than one shooter? Of course there was. Was there more than one location? Of course. Was somebody out to impersonate Oswald? There certainly was. Was Oswald just a pristine patsy? No, I don't think so.

Apparently, Walt has a book coming out called The Warren Omission. Now Walt, being a former FBI agent, is well qualified to critique the failures of the Warren Commision and the FBI. He cited the Warren Commission figure on how many FBI interviews and reports were filed. The problem, he said, was that every FBI interview should create a report even if nothing was said. The Warren Commission stated from the outset they would not hire their own investigators. How would they know the number of reports submitted, the efficiency of those reports and the accuracy of those reports.

Walt then spoke of Walter Craig, President of the American Bar Association being appointed to oversee the Warren Commission activities to see that the Commission met the standards of American legal jurisprudence. I am reminded of a quote from the Introducton to Rush to Judgement: "The interests of Oswald, it was announced, would be adequately protected; and the tribunal appointed, as their protector, Mr. Walter Craig, the President of the American Bar Association, who was invited to participate in the inquiry 'fully and without limitation', being allowed to cross examine, to recall witnesses, and to make proposals. Mr. Craig certainly gave the Commission much less trouble than Mr. Lane would have done. According to the official record, he only attended two out of the 51 sessions of the Commission, and none of the separate hearings, and he only opened his mouth at one of the two. His interventions at that session were not on behalf of Oswald."[3] Mr. Craig's appointment meant that any kind of evidence could be admitted, including hearsay. Walt said, "We are told that Mr. Craig participated fully. Well, somebody had to as the Warren Commission certainly didn't." Walt then demonstrated how clueless Craig was. Craig had asked Greer if the car he was driving was within a mile of the triple overpass. Walt pointed out it is only 295 feet from the TSBD to the overpass.

Walt mentioned something about the ARRB being on top of the published testimony. Arlen Specter wrote a memo to Melvin Eisenberg. This memo referenced who might be called. Walt mentioned a figure of about 30 medical people who might be called, so the WC was at one time thinking about calling more than they did. This memo also refers to films and it says they saw the USMC film. Walt said that USMC is United States Medical Corp, that would be Pitzer's film. The Warren Commission saw it.

Walt then mentioned many aspects of Warren Commission foolishness, little of it new.

The next presenter was Raymond Carroll. His presentation was a critique on the work of Dr. Vincent Guinn. Carroll said, "In 1963 and '64 the FBI did neutron activation analysis on the bullet (CE 399) and the bullet fragments. The purpose was to determine if the fragments had a common origin. At the time the FBI tests were inconclusive." Mr. Carroll referenced how Harold Weisberg tried to sue the government for the release of the NAA test records. Eventually, they were released and when Weisberg looked at them he decided that they did not support the government's position that there were only two bullets. According to Mr. Carroll, the NAA tests did not rule out the possibility that the fragments as well as CE 399 were planted. So this is why the HSCA retained Guinn, basically to refute Weisberg. Guinn testified that he tested over 165 known brands of ammunition. He (Guinn) stated that usually you cannot tell one bullet from another but that there was one exception, the Manlicher-Carcano bullet. In that case you can tell one bullet from another even if they are from the same batch, according to Guinn. Guinn said he examined the limo fragments and the fragments from JFK's head and determined that they were one bullet; CE 399 and the Connally wrist fragments, they were one bullet. And they were both Manlichers.

The NAA tests were used to further prove the SBT that two and only two bullets hit JFK. Somewhere in the HSCA volumes it says, "NAA showed no evidence of a third bullet among the fragments large enough to be tested." Carroll called that statement a lie. Guinn himself said he did not test the jacketed fragment found in the front seat (of the limousine). And he testified it was quite a sizable fragment. Livingstone pointed out in Killing the Truth, and Guinn himself brought this up in his own testimony, that the fragments Guinn tested were not the identical ones the FBI tested. And Guinn, in an interview with David Lifton, suggested that the FBI may have taken a out a piece of CE 399 and passed it off as a Connally fragment. Carroll said he does not subscribe to that theory but he used that statement of Guinn to rationalize that Guinn was trying to say that NAA is infallible and that if there is something wrong with the evidence it was what was tested not the test itself.

Mr. Carroll noted that on the same day that Dr. Guinn testified, a man sitting in a federal prison in Ohio was convicted and given a life sentence based on NAA testing for sending a bomb through the mail. The man was innocent of the charge. (I am unable to decipher what Mr. Carroll said the name of this individual was but it sounds like the last name is Stiffel.) When the FOIA was amended Mr. Stiffel fought for and got the investigative file, he got everything especially the file on the neutron activation analysis. The records showed that the federal prosecutors had a pretty good idea of who did do it, this person had method, means and opportunity, none of which Stiffel had and they buried it because the neutron activation analysis expert put the finger on Stiffel. Stiffel filed a writ of habeus corpus, there was a hearing in federal court in October of 1984 in Cleveland. He had served more than 11 years and was out on probation. The judge ruled that the conviction should be overturned because the prosecution had withheld evidence which created a reasonable doubt given the largely circumstantial case against Stiffel. One of the most important pieces of evidence withheld had to do with neutron activation. In the test which the expert had done, which didn't come out in evidence, and which the defense didn't find out about, the experts couldn't tell one batch of tapes from another batch of tapes. And the key to the case was that the tape used to wrap the bomb came from a particular batch of which there are only two places that it could have been found, namely the place where Stiffel worked and another place and another place in Cincinnati. The judge was quoted as saying that if this came out it would have further impeached the credibility of the expert's scientific methods.

The U.S. Supreme Court was highly embarrassed because Stiffel had appealed his conviction all the way up there prior to Stiffel getting the investigatory file and they had upheld the conviction. Stiffel had argued that the NAA should not be admitted into evidence. So NAA made a lot of people look stupid and sent an innocent man to jail, nearly for life.

Another problem with the Guinn figures is that there was actually an unknown amount of Western-Cartridge Co. manufactured ammunition made during World War II and then sold back to the United States.

Harrison Livingston reports in Killing the Truth about an article by Henry Brown from "The Continuing Inquiry" in November of 1976. In this article Mr. Brown said he received a letter from the Western-Cartridge Co. saying that the identical lead alloy used in the Manlicher was used to manufacture many other different kinds of bullets. Now Guinn does not state who the manufacturer was. Carroll says that if it was the Western-Cartridge Co. Guinn would have said so. But it appears that there may have been many, many other different kinds of bullets that we never heard of which has pretty much the same type of alloy as CE 399.

Guinn was asked in his HSCA testimony about an article in The New Times that said Guinn worked for the FBI and was biased. Guinn said he never did anything for the Warren Commission although he knew people in the FBI. In the report Guinn submitted it showed that from 1962 to 1970 he worked for the Atomic Energy Commission and the Justice Dept doing this neutron activitation analysis. And the Atomic Energy Commission had done the testing for the Warren Commission originally. The Justice Dept. is, of course, the "parent company" of the FBI. So he worked for a subsidiary and he worked for the parent company. In 1983 he admited to Henry Hurt that he was an informal consultant to the FBI since before the assassination.

Carroll pointed out that Blakey made a big thing about publications. Guinn's previous material is published in The Proceedings of the American Nuclear Society. However, they have a very big disclaimer on page one that says that the magazine is published for the benefit of the members. It should not be considered a "publication" in the normal sense of the word because there is no peer review.

In response to a question from the floor Carroll said that Guinn said that copper should not be used because the numbers bounce around too much. The copper from the jacket can contaminate the lead. Now the interesting thing about the Connally fragment is that it has a lot of copper whereas CE 399 has virtually no copper. Also, there is no aluminium in CE 399 while there is quite a bit in Connally's wrist.

Three out of the 14 bullets Guinn tested match the Connally fragment which means that a hell of a lot of the Western Cartridge Co. bullets would match the Connally wrist fragment.

No insult to Mr. Carroll butI feel that Wallace Milam's presentation on Guinn's testimony is the definitive refutation. I am glad to see more people beginning to understand the lie of the HSCA's NAA story.

There was another man who then gave a presentation on NAA. Dr. Rahn, who is a professor at the University of Rhode Island in aerosol chemistry and belongs to the Center for Atmospheric Chemists. Dr. Rahn mentioned that Dr. Guinn has published in scientific journals that are peer reviewed. Rahn stated that the reason the FBI got into neutron activation analysis is because the spectroscopic analysis falied. The spectroscopic analysis did not allow them to say anything about the composition of the bullets. The spectroscopic analysis was done the night of the assassination. The next day there was a report on Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry's desk on the spectroscopic analysis. The goal was to try to say something about the number of bullets involved in the assassination. Rahn said the examples tested were too small for spectroscopic analysis.

The next presentation was done by John Armstrong. His presentation was videotaped. He has a huge three ring binder on Marguerite Oswald. His presentation was on Marguerite Oswald's addresses and the issue of Lee Harvey Oswald's identity. His three ring binder has documents on her birth in, I believe he said 1907, obituaries of her mother's death in 1912 and father's death in 1930, her marriage certificate to John Pic, her marriage to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, voter registration cards in New Orleans in the 1930's, her Social Security card issued in 1940, and virtually every known address and employment for her until 1963. (Strange John did not mention Mr. Edwin Ekdahl, who was married to Marguerite and whom Fred Korth represented at the divorce. Mr. Korth then went on to become Secretary of the Navy under JFK when Connally left to run for governor of Texas.)

From 1947 to 1960 different address for Marguerite Oswald occurred at the same time. John showed a list of Ft. Worth addresses for Marguerite. He briefly explained that there are problems with Lee Harvey Oswald's school records in the Warren Commission's published hearings and exhibits.

"Now there are problems with both his New Orleans and New York school records found in the Warren volumes. From September 1952 through April 1953 he attended three weeks of school. His truancy landed him in the Bronx youth house. Three weeks later, still in the seventh grade, he enters Junior High School 44. Now there are two problems here. First, the records in the Warren volumes show he attended 109 days of school at public school #44, in the seventh grade, not three weeks. Assistant FBI deputy director John Malone filed this report, it states 'Oswald, leaving the youth house in May of 1953 entered public school #44 in the eighth grade', not the seventh grade. His New Orleans school records for Beauregard Junior High school show similar problems. This Warren Commission record shows Oswald attended 89 days in the fall of 1953. However, those same Warren Commission records show Oswald to be in New York at the same time. there are more problems with his junior high school records later.

"Now this is a photograph of Oswald in a classroom that appeared in LIFE magazine on page 70 February 1964. I wanted to know the date of this photograph. Do you notice this picture, this small picture, above the blackboard? If you look closely, with a magnifying glass you will see the Hallmark Cards logo. I called Hallmark in Kansas City and found out that that is what appeared over the blackboard. The picture was an advertisement for the play "Macbeth". (Macbeth was played by Maurice Evans). It was featured in Scholastic magazine November 1954. The advertisement was for a televised showing of the play "Macbeth".

Now Harvey Oswald (interesting, John said Harvey Oswald) is sitting in Helen McWorthers (sic?) 9th grade English class at Beauregard in November 1954. "Macbeth' is probably a class assignment. That is the letter from Hallmark saying when it was published in Scholastic magazine. Six months later Oswald graduates from Beauregard. His 1955 school yearbook has his photo in it p. 21. But at the same 1954-1955 school year a Lee Oswald attended Stripling Junior High School in Ft. Worth. Francetta Schubert (sic?) was in the eighth grade that year and she remembers Oswald as being a little bit older and living in a house next to Stripling.

John then showed a videotaped interview with Francetta Schubert (sic?). "I'm Francetta Schubert and I used to go to Stripling Junior High during the '53-'54 school year as a seventh grader. And as an eighth grader we would stand outside at lunch waiting for the school bell to ring so we could re-attend classes." John then asked her, "As a seventh grader or an eighth grader?" She responded, "An eighth grader, as an eighth grader for the 54-55 school year, right? And we would see Lee Harvey Oswald and a bunch of his friends going across the playground, going across for lunch. And that's how I remember seeing him in school." John then asked her where Lee lived. She responded where this brown house now stands. It was directly across the street from the school yard. "Doug Dan (sic?), who now teaches law in Ft. Worth, remembers Oswald in his 9th grade homeroom in the 1954-55 school year. Floyd Harken (sic?) [Forgive me but I'm dealing with an audiotape and trying to guess at names I have never heard or cannot look up] used to play football in Oswald's front yard. The house across the street from Stripling. Another student said it was common knowledge that Oswald went to Stripling.

"The house that Francetta and Doug remember is 22202 Thomas Place. The same address that Marguerite Oswald lived at the time of the assassination. And during the 1940's and the 1950's this house, which was actually a duplex, was owned by Mary McCartney (sic?), a good personal friend of Fred Korth. Mark Summers, a former gym teacher at Stripling, remembered Oswald in his gym class. Confirmation of Oswald attending Stripling comes from Frank Cudlady, former assistant principal at Stripling. John then showed a videotaped interview with Mr. Cudlady. "On Saturday morning following the Kennedy assassination I received a call at home, I lived at 4225 Kurzon at that time, from Mr. Riley who was my principal, telling me to go to school, go to the record file and get Lee Harvey Oswald's records. And that somebody from the FBI would be there to pick them up. And that's exactly what I did. I went to school, I went to the records files, got his records out, I did open them, I did look at them in kind of a cursory way and the only thing that I can recall is that the records were kind of incomplete in that he did not attend a full year. I put them back in the brown envelope and left them on my desk and waited 10, 15 minutes, perhaps longer. And two gentlemen came in and showed me identification that they were FBI agents. I gave them records and the best that I remember is that one of them did open the records up and had a look in it. And they thanked me and then they left and then I locked the doors and I went home. And that's all I know about Lee Harvey Oswald."

John continued, "Now Mr. Cudlady retired from service as Superintendent of schools in Waco, Texas. If any of you would like to talk to him he lives on Savanaugh Court in Waco. Now you heard Mr. Cudlady say that Oswald did not attend a full year at Stripling. On Oswald's cards, grade cards, Mr. Cudlady notes that there is only one reported grade period, probably the 6th grade period. So where did Oswald go when he left Stripling Junior High School, in Ft. Worth, in the fall of 1955? Well, I did not know the answer to that question until last week. And last week a fella who had gone to the 4th, 5th, and 6th grade with Lee Harvey Oswald, a dentist in Ft. Worth by the name of Joe Stiles, called me. Now I got some photographs over there on the wall, 3rd, 4th 5th and 6th grade class pictures. Most of the students are in all of those photos, in other words, Oswald went to the same school, except Arlington Heights in the 3rd grade, originally West in the 4th, 5th, and 6th classes, and the same students are in the same classes. The same students went to Ridglea West to Montick High School in Ft. Worth. Stripling is one school district removed. Montick was a new junior high in '52 and '53. Joe Stiles called me and said he had a friend who had a photograph of Oswald in Montick in the 9th grade. So I called and I flew down to get the photograph. There is a hundred kids in that photograph. It's a 1955 class photograph, the whole class. Most of the students in those photographs are in the Montick Junior High School photograph. I have talked to three of them so far. The photograph I am about to show you, these people say is the Lee Harvey Oswald, the Lee Oswald, they went to school with, at Ridglea West and at (something) in 1955. Not in New Orleans. What we are looking at is a Beauregard school year book, '54-55 school year, and I am now going to show you what these people say is the person they went to Ridglea West Elementary school with and Montick in 1954-'55.

"Oh, let me back up, the FBI. This is a letter from the FBI, they deny any knowledge of Stripling. This is Montick, 9th grade class 1955. The guy with the white shirt in the middle is Lee Harvey Oswald. His hand is on the shoulder of Philip Anderson. Randle Reiss, the fella who gave me the photograph, is the fellow at the far right sitting down.

"Now boys in the 9th grade don't normally live alone. They have parents or guardians. The Oswald attending Beauregard in New Orleans lived with a parent or guardian. And so did the Oswald attending Stripling in Ft. Worth. Each of these 15 year old boys had a life prior to the 9th grade. Two different Oswald families may be the reason for some of Marguerite's overlapping address. This is the reason I studied Marguerite Oswald's addresses.

"Now let's begin [with] the overlapping addresses of Marguerite Oswald. The Warren Report tells us Marguerite purchased or resided at 101 San Saba in Benbrook, Texas in the summer of 1948. [See the Report p. 674] Mrs. Oswald purchased 101 San Saba, the property indicated in solid yellow. Mrs. (W. H.) Bell and Mr. (Otis R.) Carlton lived across the street, their properties are outlined in yellow. The Warren Commission used FBI reports of Mr. (Otis R.) Carlton and Mrs. (W. H.) Bell in determining that the Oswalds resided there in the summer of 1948. Carlton told the FBI, however [see CE 1874], that the Oswalds lived there in 1947, not 1948. He had been in the Oswald house on several occasions and purchased the house when they left Benbrook. Carlton told the FBI the Oswalds had lived there for 6 to 8 months. The Warren Commission also used the FBI report of Mrs. Bell, (CE 2219) now that report states the Oswalds lived there for 3 months during the summer of 1948.

"Now three months ago I visited Georgia Bell. She lives at 100 San Saba. She is elderly but still very sharp. I showed Georgia Bell this FBI statement. She said that is not what [she] told the FBI. The Oswalds moved into 101 San Saba in May of 1947, not 1948. Now how could Mrs. Bell remember an event that happened 50 years ago? How could she be so sure that the Oswalds moved there in May of '47? Mrs. Bell said, 'Because Walter and I built this house in June and July of 1947 and the Oswalds moved in the month before. I have lived in this house since 1947." Mrs. Oswald did not work and she did not have a car. Now I showed Mrs. Bell a photo from the Warren Commission volumes taken of Lee at the San Saba house. [See Robert Groden's The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, p. 7, photo on top left, caption reads "Lee with his collie, Lady," for best reproduction of this photo; John Pic Exhibit #54 Volume 21 p. 122.] I wanted to know the year this photo was taken. Mrs. Bell identified a building in the background as a small motel built in the summer of 1947, July by Mr. Sells. That motel was under construction in two photos and you can see the difference in the construction by looking at the two photos. It looks like they were a day or so apart. I obtained Tarrant County tax assessor records that show Marguerite Ekdahl purchased 101 San Saba July 7, 1947. This land record agrees with Carlton and Mrs. Bell's recollections that the Oswalds lived there in 1947. The motel built by Mr. Sells confirms the date of the photo taken from the San Saba house summer of 1947. Mrs. Bells said that the Oswalds moved just before Thanksgiving in '47. Mrs. Oswald had retained a job as a nurse. Mrs. Oswald asked a neighbor, a Mrs. Lucille Hubbard, to take her by car to a house, a different house to pick up some of her belongings including her nurses uniform. In this house Mrs. Oswald had numerous possessions locked in a closet. She picked up her clothes and other belongings and returned with Mrs. Hubbard to Benbrook. I asked Mrs. Bell if she knew where this house was located. This is the first time I had ever seen Mrs. Bell or talked to her, and this was five minutes into our discussion, Mrs. Bell said yes, Lucille Hubbard said it was located next to Stripling High school, now Stripling Junior High.

"I showed Mrs. Bell two photos of Mrs. Oswald, without identifying them. The photo on the left was taken in December 1957 at Paul Shoestore. The date of the photo on the right with Mrs. Oswald in the kitchen is unknown, however, it was sent to Lee Oswald in Russia in 1961, it is in one of the Warren volumes. Mrs. Bell said of Mrs. Oswald in the kitchen, 'Yep, that's exactly the way she looked when I knew her in 1947, short and fat.' In fact, Mrs. Bell said, that looks like it was taken inside her house across the street. I noticed Mrs. Bell's cabinets, not that it matters, but the cabinets in Mrs. Bell's house are exactly the same and have the same handles as the cabinets in that photo. And when I showed Mrs. Bell the photo on the left she said I don't know who that is. Now Otis Carlton bought the house the Oswalds lived in and he rented it to a family by the name of Shardineye (sic?) during the winter of 1947 and '48. Mr. Carlton and his daughter Jean then resided in the at house in 1948 and '49.

"The Warren Commission was wrong! Marguerite lived in San Saba in 1947, not 1948. Now does this make a difference? Well, it may. Let's look at the Warren Commission testimony and records for the Oswald family members. John Pic told the Warren Commission (Volume 11 p. 26) they resided at 1505 8th Avenue in the summer of 1947. He worked at Walgreens for two weeks and then as assistant manager for Tex-Gold Ice Cream Parlor, and he described it as being six blocks from their house. By the way, miles away from Benbroke, Texas. When Pic was asked about San Saba he replied, " 'I don't know anything about San Saba.' " (Volume 11 p. 29).

Now Robert Oswald told the Warren Commission that at that time they were living on 8th Avenue, that would be the summer of 1947. Robert was stopped from conducting his discussion of the summer of 1947 when Allen Dulles abruptly adjourned the Commission. (Volume 1 p. 282) When the Commission returned attorney Jenner began the discussion by stating, 'This brought us to the summer of 1948, I believe, and continued his discussion with Robert about the summer of 1948. (Actually they go for some time into the details of contracts with Mr. James Herbert Martin, who was Marina's short lived business manager, then on p. 291 Jenner states, "Mr. JENNER. At the recess, Mr. Oswald, we were dealing with, excuse me. We were dealing with the period of time that you and your mother and your two brothers lived in Benbrook, Tex. This brought us through the summer of 1948, I believe. Am I correct?") Thanks to Allen Dulles, Robert Oswald could not discuss and we were not informed about his knowledge of the Oswalds during the summer of 1947.

"Now Marguerite did not discuss 101 San Saba with the Warren Commission at all. However, a letter was mailed to her from Chamberlain Hunt in July 1947 has the address 1505 8th Avenue concerning Robert and John.

"Now Lee Oswald was not available to give his testimony to the Warren Commission concerning San Saba but his school records for the fall of 1947 are in the volumes. Now Lee should have attended 2nd grade at Benbrook Elementary School, a block from 101 San Saba in the fall of 1947. Now the FBI document which contain Lee school records obtained from Mrs. Llewellyn Merritt, she was a principal at Ridglea West Elementary School, his schooling for the 1947-1948 year is missing. Mrs. Merritt advised her school records did not indicate where Oswald attended the second grade. Now an FBI summary of Oswald's schooling written several months later by the FBI is still missing the '47-'48 school year. Now eventually another attendance form was given to the Warren commission that listed Oswald's address for this missing period. However, if you will note on this Warren Commission exhibit it is entirely handwritten, it's copied, you could have written it, I could have written it, anyone could have written it. Here's the original. I obtained it from the Ft. Worth (something) School district. It shows Oswald attended Willy Clayton school from January of '47 through March of '48. But when Oswald was living on San Saba he could not have possibly have attended Willy Clayton. It is near downtown Ft. Worth and about ten miles away. I can't tell you why the FBI was unable to locate this document when I could do it thirty years later. I can't tell you why the Warren Commission published a handwritten copy instead of the original. Don't you think the FBI could have obtained this record in 1963 as easily as I could in 1995? I can't think of any reason for them to publish handwritten copies of any school records but I can tell you that that is exactly what they did.

"Now let's look at some of the addresses for the Oswalds for the '47-'48 school year. Tarrant County records, FBI statements, photographs, and testimony from Mrs. Oswald's neighbors place her at 101 San Saba in the fall of 1947. Yet, John Pic and Robert Oswald, letters from Mrs. Oswald and Lee's school records place them at 1505 8th Avenue in the summer and fall of 1947. Two different address at the same time.

"Let's move on to the 1951-1952 school year. This is the census for the 1951-1952 school year. Now you will notice it lists a Harvey Oswald residing at 7408 Ewing (See Volume 1 p. 292 for Robert Oswald mentioning 7408 Ewing Ft. Worth; Volume 11 p. 30 for John Pic) with a birthday of October 19, 1939. These are the first records I found for Harvey Oswald. Lee's birthday is October 18th, not the 19th. And his mother, listed as Marguerite Ekdahl in this form, was divorced four years earlier and she had her name changed back to Oswald, and she always used the name Oswald after that.

"The Warren Commission told us the Oswalds left for New York in August 1952. Yet, in 1962, 1962, when Lee comes back from Russia, Robert tells the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram Lee attended Stripling in Ft. Worth. Two years later Robert Oswald told the Warren Commission Lee attended Stripling. Look at this:

"Mr. OSWALD. Just a minute, please. In 1952 Lee was 13 years old. He would be attending W. C. Stripling Junior High School then.

Mr. JENNER. I see. For the school year 1951-52?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. Junior high school there was from the seventh to the ninth grades. And as soon as he was through with his sixth year, he started attending W. C. Stripling Junior High School.

Mr. JENNER. As soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea Elementary School, he entered W. C. Stripling High School, as a seventh grader?

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir--junior high school." (That's from Volume 1 p. 299)

Okay, now Marguerite Oswald also told a French journalist in an interview that Lee attended junior high school in Ft. Worth up until the eighth grade. Now if Lee had attended Stripling in the seventh grade where did he live? Tarrant county land records show Marguerite Oswald purchased a home at 4833 Birchmond on November 15, 1951. The home, now a vacant lot, is six blocks from Stripling. The original deed was recorded and returned to Marguerite Oswald at 4833 Birchmond. The same time she was supposed to be living at 7408 Ewing. She sold this house (the Birchmond house) at the end of April 1953 at the end of Oswald's seventh grade period. In the summer of 1953, Harvey Oswald was reported to be living in North Dakota. On December 11, Mrs. Alma Cole, of Humma, Arizona wrote this letter to President Johnson and she said that my son William Henry Timmer had befriended Oswald in Stanley, North Dakota in 1953. Timmer who now lives in Great Falls, Montana for those of you who would like to interview him was interviewed by the FBI on December 21, 1963. Timmer told of meeting a boy in a city park in Stanley, North Dakota who introduced himself as Harvey Oswald. He spent a lot of time with Harvey during the next two months in the summer of 1953. They went swimming at the reservoir, rode their bicycles at the city park, he remembered Harvey riding a bicycle with no fenders or chain guard and being impressed by this kid from the big city. Harvey talked of gang fights in New York and of making weapons with razor blades stuck in potatoes. He recalled that Harvey told him he had been all over the country. Harvey carried a pamphlet in his back pocket and on one occasion showed it to Timmer and remarked, " 'I'll bet you haven't seen anything like this before.'" It was a pamphlet on Marxism.

"During the 1959 interview in Moscow Oswald told Aline Mosbey, 'After living in New York we moved to North Dakota.' Mosbey's interview with Oswald appeared in newspaper articles in 1959 and is mentioned in this FBI report. Notice it says newspaper articles in one nine five nine on subject Re: defect to Russia quoted him as saying he lived in North Dakota.

"When Oswald was arrested in 1963 in New Orleans he was informed by Lt. Francis Martello, he was questioned by Martello, he told Martello he moved from New York to North Dakota."

"According to employment records obtained by the FBI Marguerite worked at The Lady Orva Hosiery in New York from May 9, 1953 to the week ending December 26, 1953 (See CE 2313 p. 111 in volume 25). Harvey Oswald residing in Stanley, North Dakota for two months in the summer of 1953 conflicts with the Oswald's address and Marguerite's employment in New York city during the same period.

"Let's move on to New Orleans. Myra DeWilliams taught at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for three years. She had a homeroom class for only one year. Oswald was assigned to her homeroom. He told Myra he wanted to be called Harvey Oswald. Shortly after Oswald arrived a piano fell in the school. Myra and another teacher Dorothy Dugan lifted the piano from Oswald's legs. Myra took him to the (something) Clinic on Canal Street for observation. She then drove him, in her personal car, to his residence by Exchange Alley. Myra asked him where his mother was. Harvey replied, She's working at the bar."

John then showed another videotape interview, "Here's Myra." "My name is Myra DeWilliams and I began teaching in New Orleans Parish in 1953, September. And the school I was assigned to was Beauregard Junior High School, which is located on Canal Street. I was a physical education teacher. In my second year there I was given a homeroom and I held my role call (something, she says two words) on the cafeteria on the stage in the basement. Sometime after Christmas I got a new student. It turned out that his name was Lee Harvey Oswald. I never called him Lee Harvey Oswald because he asked me not to call him Lee. And I asked him what he would like to be called and he said Harvey. So I knew him as Harvey Oswald. My contact with him was just in a homeroom roll call because I only taught girls physical education. But, sometime, how it happened I don't know, he and I became friends. And each afternoon as I did my coaching after school he would always seem to be in the yard sitting around."

Myra mentioned how "Harvey' seemed to have only one friend, Ed Voebel.

"On one occasion we were practicing basketball in the schoolyard, Ed Voebel comes running out and says, 'Ms. DeWilliams! Ms. DeWilliams! Come inside quick! So (another teacher) and I went into the basement and there on the floor was Harvey and an upright piano that had fallen, [on] his legs from about the waist down. So (some other people) with the help of Ed Voebel pulled the piano up and I asked him if he was hurt, asked Harvey if he was hurt, and he said no he didn't think so. And I said well maybe we should call your mother and he said no because she is at work. Well you know this happened at school and you can't be too careful so I called our principal, Mr. McVerter (sic?) and asked him what he thought I should do. And he said, " 'Well Myra take him down to (something)' " because that's where we always take the kids when they get hurt or they get sick. Well, (something) clinic is about a mile east of the school on Canal street. So we got in the car and I drove Harvey down and they examined him and they said he was fine and it was getting dark. It was a little after five and I didn't want him going home by himself so I asked him where he lived and he said on Exchange Alley down near the river. So I drove him down and it was really kind of a disgusting place. And I was very glad I didn't live there. And he lived upstairs over a ballroom."

John then asks Myra how tall was Harvey. Myra replied, "Well I'm about 5'3" now but I was about 4'8" back then and I would say he came up to about here." John, in Fredonia points out to the audience that this is very important. Myra continues, "I would say he was about 4'8", 4'6", or about 4'8"." John on the videotape is heard to say "That small 4'6" or 4'8""

"Yeah, he was little, scrawny."

Someone from the audience called out, 'What year was that?"

John answered, "1953 er, '54. Myra saw Harvey every day at Beauregard. She described him as a physically small child. She told me she was five feet three now and she remembered Harvey as being about four foot eight. Now Myra's description of a four foot eight Harvey in the spring of 1954 differs considerably with his New York school records.

"All right, here are his 1952-1953 school records, in the two columns marked for the seventh and eighth grade, and you will notice his height is listed as 64 inches, 5 foot, four. So the kid shrinks 8 inches from the time he moves from New York to New Orleans. Now Myra remembered Harvey and Ed Voebel as being good friends. The friendship began in 1954. Ed Voebel had weekly music lessons at (someplace) a few doors from the Oswald apartment.

"Incidentally, Voebel's family at the time operated the Quality Florist on Canal Street. His sister is still there. He had two sisters, Doris and Theodora, they are very nice people. I met with them. They remember Ed. (Well I should hope so. Ed Voebel died in 1971. According to The Dead Witnesses by Craig Roberts and John Armstrong p. 170, "The HSCA attempted to locate Voebel in 1978, but his father, Sidney Voebel, informed the investigators that Edward had died in 1971 under "mysterious" circumstances. He had expires due to a supposed "blood clot", but little else was known.") I gave them the videotape of an interview I have of Ed on TV talking about Oswald. Ed had a lot of nerve, in 1963, just after the assassination he actually got on TV and said I kind of liked the guy. That took a lot of guts.

"Well, Oswald's '53 school records list his height as being five feet, four, an inch taller than Myra. Harvey apparently shrank this eight inches during this move from New York to New Orleans. Anyway, while living at 126 Exchange Place Mrs. Oswald wrote several letters to John Pic in the fall of 1954. One is dated October 14, 1954. This is the letter it is Pic exhibit 24A. Now you heard Myra DeWilliams and Ed Voebel tell you about Oswald. From the time he was in Myra's homeroom class and she took him to Exchange Place. This is a letter, 1954, October, Exchange Place return address. Now let's see what the Warren Commission says. It tells us that Oswald left New York in January 1954 and moved to New Orleans where they rented an apartment from Julian and Myrtle Evans. Mr. and Mrs. Evans are important people. They knew Marguerite Oswald since 1930. They knew her first husband, John Edward Pic, her second husband, Oswald, her third husband Ekdahl. Mrs. Evans saw Marguerite every day. They described Lee Oswald as a headstrong, boisterous individual who would holler in a loud tone of voice to his mother. Lee was so loud that Myrtle was relieved when the Oswalds finally moved. They told the FBI and the Warren Commission they rented Marguerite an apartment on St. Mary's St. from May 1954 through May 1955. They said in FBI interviews and they said in their Warren Commission testimony, Julian Evans and Myrtle Evans. If these dates are correct, Julian Evans' and Myrtle Evans' dates, they conflict with Marguerite living on Exchange Place at exactly the same time. You heard Myra, she said they lived on Exchange Place. The Evans' said they lived right next door, she (Myrtle) saw her (Marguerite) every day.

"Now Lee Harvey Oswald living at the St. Mary's address for a year is unexplained. If Lee Oswald lived at St. Mary's and attended Beauregard he had a long way to go. Here are the junior high school boundaries for New Orleans in 1954. Beauregard is outlined in the green, the Exchange Place address is the top one in orange, the St. Mary's St. address is the one on the bottom. He is two school districts removed and 55 blocks away from the (Beauregard) junior high school.

"Now there is another problem. Mrs. Evans remembers Marguerite coming to New Orleans from Texas, not New York. Myrtle told the Warren Commission (Volume 8 p. 45) "Now, when Margie decided to come back to New Orleans, I think she came here from San Antonio or Fort Worth, one of those places, and she went to her sister's---" This statement is quite interesting, while the Warren Commission tells us that Marguerite and Lee moved to New Orleans from New York her longtime neighbor, landlord and friend who she saw everyday said Marguerite came to New Orleans from Texas.

"Do you remember Stripling Junior High in Ft. Worth where Robert Oswald and Lee Oswald said Lee had attended the seventh grade? If Oswald did attend Stripling in the seventh grade he and Marguerite could have easily moved Ft. Worth to New Orleans exactly like Myrtle Evans remembered.

"Now in 1963 Julian and Myrtle Evans could not recognize Marguerite Oswald. Myrtle told the Warren Commission, "When I saw her on TV, after all of this happened, she looked so old and haggard, and I said, "That couldn't be Margie," (Volume 8 p. 51). Julian Evans, (Volume 8 p. 71 John quoted some of this but I'm going to give you the whole thing.) "Mr. EVANS. I think she's a fine woman, myself, a fine woman; intelligent, very soft spoken--a beautiful woman, with black hair streaked with a little gray, but when you saw her on television since this thing happened, she really looked awful; nothing at all like she used to look. She has really aged. She looked like a charwoman, compared to what she used to look like. She used to be a fashion plate. She dressed beautifully, but when we saw her on television just recently, after all this happened, she looked awful. There's no other way to describe it, the change that has come over her. You wouldn't have recognized her if they hadn't told you who she was; she looked that different. Where her hair used to be black, now it's entirely gray, and she really looks old.

Mr. JENNER. Well, she's 57, I believe.

Mr. EVANS. That's right; she's the same age as my wife, but she looks about 70 now. That's about all I can remember about her, and then I saw this thing on television when the President was assassinated, and when it showed her picture, we just couldn't believe it was Marguerite."

"Marguerite and Lee worked for the Dolly Shoe Co. These W-4 forms were signed on February 5, 1955. They show a 126 Exchange St. address as a home address. The store owner, Murray Goodman, (Volume 25 CE 2238 p. 138) remembered Oswald as a very small kid who was extremely quiet. He also remembered Marguerite. Now I sent Mr. Goodman this 1957 photograph of Marguerite Oswald. It was taken a year and a half after Marguerite worked for Mr. Goodman. Mr. Goodman wrote me this letter. It says, "Dear John, I don't recognize her at all from this photo. She looks like she cut off all of her hair. The woman looks happy and I never remember Marguerite looking happy." Mr. Goodman said that when Marguerite left Dolly Shoe she then went to work as a bar maid.

"Louis Marzollie (sic?) who currently resides in Metarie (sic?) was the store manager for Dolly Shoe Co. in 1955. He remembered Lee Oswald as a very small quiet kid without much sense. (Odd, they both described Lee as being without much sense. Both used the word "sense") Let's listen to Louis.

"...on the first day I arrived at the store.

"Dolly Shoe Company?" asked John.

"Dolly Shoe Company, to take over as manager there was a young man picking up shoes from off the floor to return them to stock. Well, the job wasn't getting done so I told the owners that we just don't need this young man. so we decided that when he came back from lunch we would let him go. And that's how it happened we let him go."

"What year and what month was this?

"This would be a few days after Easter 1955. Because I came in in the middle of the morning, a sale was going on, the place was packed with people, you know, buying shoes." (Sounds like the perfect time to fire staff.)

"These three people made statements as to Marguerite working as a barmaid. there is no reference by members of her family, the Warren Commission, or any government agency that Marguerite worked ever as a barmaid. In summation of the 1954-55 residences of the Oswald's we have Myra DeWilliams driving Harvey Oswald to Exchange Place in the Spring of 1954, we have the Exchange Place return address to John Pic in October 1954, the W-4 forms listing their address as 126 Exchange Place on February 5, 1955 and Ed Voebel visiting Oswald at his Exchange Place apartment on a weekly basis in '54 and '55. These people's involvement with Oswald at the Exchange Place address from Spring '54 to the Summer of '55 clearly conflicts with Julian and Myrtle Evans, who saw Marguerite daily and say they lived at 1454 St. Marys, which would mean the Oswalds are living at two different addresses at the same time.

"According to the Warren Commission, Marguerite and Lee left New Orleans in July 1956 and moved to Ft. Worth, Texas. Marguerite lived and worked in Texas the remainder of her life and never again resided or worked in New Orleans. Yet, when John Pic enlisted in the Air Force in February 1956, and she was living in New Orleans, he gave his address for securing Marguerite Oswald as 3006 (sounds like, Crystal Road), Ft. Worth. Marguerite was still living at Exchange Place (in New Orleans) not Ft. Worth. According to the Warren Commission she did not live at the Crystal Road address until the fall of 1958, two and a half years later. Yet, Pic gives the address of (something) road in 1956.

"Now Tom Henderson, National Accident Life Insurance Company advised the FBI that their files contained information on a life insurance policy on Lee Oswald. Their files showed that the policy had lapsed for nonpayment in May of 1958. In June when Marguerite is supposedly living in Ft. Worth the company mailed a letter to Mrs. Oswald at Exchange Place notifying her in writing that the policy had lapsed. Now the application for reinstatement dated June 30 was signed by Lee Oswald. He listed his Mother's address, in 1958, as 126 Exchange Place. In 1958 Marguerite is supposed to be in Ft. Worth.

"Palmer McBride, who currently resides in Sun Valley, California, told the FBI (CE 1386 Volume 22 p. 710-712) he met Marguerite Oswald in early 1958 at the Hotel Senator, (actually Senator Hotel) where the Oswalds were living. McBride worked with Lee Oswald on a daily basis from 1957, late 1957 through the summer of 1958 at the Pfisterer's Dental Laboratory.

"Now I have talked with McBride many times and I question him the best I can to get him to remember the year and he always comes back with the same answer. He says I joined the Air Force reserves August 15, 1958, two weeks before that I worked at Pfisterer's, a week before that Oswald quit. The last thing he remembers about Oswald is just before he left he got a letter from Oswald, the company got a letter from Oswald saying that Oswald was selling shoes in Ft. Worth. This is 1958. Oswald is supposed to be in Japan.

"This is the Pfisterer's Dental Laboratory's, the next video I am going to show you, the last video I am going to show you is the President of Pfisterer's in the New Orleans Office, her name is Linda Faircloth. "I'm Linda Faircloth and I'm the General Manager of Pfisterer's Dental Lab and I have worked for the company since 1977. And I was asked to make a presentation to the President's meeting about four years ago and the laboratory was to explain infamous characters or colorful characters that have ever been affiliated with the company. And through my search of talking to all of the previous owners, to people that have worked for the company, managers, everybody that I could get a lead from. I found out that Pfisterer's was founded in 1906 by Louie Pfisterer." (Well, she eventually gets around to discovering that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the company and...)

She talked to several people and all thought that Lee worked from 1957 to 1958 for a period of six months or so. She referred to a Lionel Slayter (sic?) as someone who worked with Oswald.

"Now in '57 and '58, the years in which Ms. Faircloth is talking about, Marguerite is supposed to be living in Ft. Worth while Lee Is supposed to be in the Marines in Japan. Yet, McBride says they are both in New Orleans again duplicate addresses.

"Now Mrs. Oris DeWayne (sic?) who had known Marguerite Oswald and had worked with her since 1943 told the FBI Marguerite had stopped to see her at Lady Orva Hosiery about three or four years ago, see this is 1963 so we are talking 1960 or 1959. Mrs. Oswald told her she was working at Goldblooms department store on Canal Street selling dresses on the second floor. Again, Marguerite is supposed to be in Ft. Worth in 1959 trying to get Lee Harvey a discharge, or perhaps in 1960 trying to contact him in Russia, duplicate addresses.

Mrs. Logan McGrudder, (CE 2217 Volume 25 p. 117) who had known Marguerite since 1945, rented her a house when she stayed there in the summer of 1945 -'46 on Vermont St. in Covington, Louisiana. She told the FBI she saw Marguerite Oswald about 3 years ago in 1960 in Krieger's Department Store. Marguerite was working at the Ladies lingerie dept. Again, Marguerite is supposed to be in Ft. Worth, duplicate addresses.

"Palmer McBride, Mrs. Orsen Wayne (sic?), not to mention Mrs. Linda Faircloth at Pfisterer's and Mrs. Logan McGrudder's knowledge of Mrs. Oswald residing and working in New Orleans from '58 to '60 conflict with Marguerite's known residence and employment in Fort Worth, Texas during the same periods.

"In July '56 Marguerite moved from New Orleans to Fort Worth, so says the Warren Commission. She rented an apartment at 4936 Collingwood from Mrs. James Taylor. Mrs. Oswald worked at the Paul Shoe Store while she lived at the Collingwood address. The person I talked to, the person I obtained the photo, that photograph of Marguerite Oswald at Paul shoe store, that was Christmas 1957 said she worked there for two maybe two and a half years. I need to do some more work on that.

"According to Mrs. Taylor's records in this FBI memo, its a Warren Commission exhibit, Mrs. Taylor rented the upper West apartment on July 1, 1956 to Marguerite and she remained in this apartment until June 1, 1957, one year almost exactly. Mrs. Oswald departed owing $6.60 in utility bills. Mrs. Taylor contacted her at her subsequent address at 1031 West 5th on two or three occasions but Marguerite refused to pay the bills.

"On November 9, 1956 Mrs. Oswald contacted the Red Cross regarding emergency leave for her son Lee Oswald. This is two weeks after he joined the Marines! The Red Cross sent her this questionnaire to fill out which she returned on November 9, 1956. In the upper right hand corner notice that there are various branches of the military service to be checked, someone had originally checked the box for Army, then scratched it out and then checked the box for Marines. Now why would Marguerite Oswald contact the Marines two weeks after Lee goes in he is not out of boot camp yet, and talk about an emergency? Or is this a different Marguerite talking about a different Lee in the Army?

"On this form Marguerite Oswald listed her address as 3830 West 6th. Now Lee McCracken (sic?) lived in one of the four appartments at 3830 West 6th in early 1957. He remembered Marguerite as a neighbor. First National Bank records show her at 3830 West 6th. In April 1957 a credit check with a retail merchants credit association in May 1957 show show's her address as 3830 West 6th. Lee's military records listed her address as 3830 West 5th as of July 1957. The March 1958 Ft. Worth telephone directory list her as 3830 West 6th. The 1958 Ft. Worth city directory lists her address as 3830 West 6th Apt # 3 and lists her employment as office manager, "Family Publications".

"So from November 1, 1956 through early 1958 Marguerite Oswald was living at 3830 West 6th and working at (something) Men's store and working as office manager for Family Publications.

"From July of '56 to July of '57 someone named Marguerite Oswald was living at 4936 Collingwood and working for Paul shoe store.

Here we have Marguerite Oswald at separate address working at different jobs at exactly the same time for over a year. Now these are just some, believe me they are not all of Marguerite's dual addresses prior to 1959, prior to Lee's "defection" to Russia, and prior to the CIA allegedly opening a file on him at that time.

Now the FBI was having trouble understanding these addresses as evidenced by this memo. Now look at this, this FBI memo states, I'll read it for you, " 'We lived in New Orleans until 1946 when we moved to Ft. Worth. Then we moved (or they moved or somebody moved) to New York where he resided for two years then he came back to [BLANK] where he lived until his Marine Corps. entrance.' "

"The Warren Commission was having similar troubles with background on the Oswald family but they did not deal with it. On April 10, 1964 Jenner wrote a memo to J. Lee Rankin. The memo was based on 'the existing data in our files of the background facts, life, school, places of residence. etc.of Mrs. Oswald, her several marriages, her husbands, and her three children, and in particular Lee Harvey Oswald, Jenner writes 'our depositions and examinations of records and other data disclose that there are details of Mr. Ely's memorandum which will require material alteration and in some cases omission."

"Material alteration and omission regarding the life of Lee Oswald and his mother. Those are the written words of Warren Commission attorney Albert Jenner.

"In 1967 a woman named Marguerite Oswald was working for Joseph Erhlicher (sic?) an official of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol. The same Civil Air Patrol that Oswald had joined in July of '55. This Mrs. Oswald was born in 1918 and is extremely concerned about the Garrison investigation. She writes, 'My life story as I have lived it is detailed strange. I plead with you most admirably to arrange for a passport and visa for political protection to Argentina or possibly to England.' She closes her letter with a memo to Ehrlicher in shorthand at the bottom left that read, 'would you rather be a dead hero or a live outcast.' That is from the Garrison files.

"In 1974 Oswald's identity was still raising questions at the FBI. In this FBI memo, the entire first page is redacted. At the end of the redaction the first line reads, 'If there was some question about the identity of Oswald it would seem that this question would have been raised by his mother.' I would certainly like to look at the original first page of this memo. It obviously refers to the questionable identity of Oswald. Perhaps the FBI found the answers I am seeking. They have 422 documents relating to Marguerite Oswald at FBI headquarters. They have released only 180. Classified documents. Now can you think of any reason why any document relating to Marguerite Oswald should be classified?

"The Warren Commission published Jack Ruby's tax returns but Lee's and Marguerite's are still classified. Why?

"Perhaps the Assassination Records Review Board can get the remaining Marguerite Oswald documents released. The Review Board should place Robert Oswald and John Pic under oath and ask them about their knowledge and involvement with their mother and Lee Harvey Oswald.

"They should interview Myra De (something) (sometimes it sounds like DeWilliams, sometimes like DeLoose), Palmer McBride, Frank Cudlady (sic?) and the many people who went to Stripling and Montick (sic?) (school) with Oswald. Their priority should be focused on Oswald's background.

"Now in conclusion, let me say that most of the documents that I have presented have been available to the public for a long time. All I did was locate and place these document in chronological order. The contradictions are obvious and when you begin to see the magnitude of the contradictions you realize something's wrong, your curiosity's aroused, and you focus on documents and people who can either confirm or deny your latest finding. It's a cycle, a continuous cycle. I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers but I hope this presentation has shown you that a lot more research is needed to understand the reason for Marguerite Oswald's multiple addresses. And I welcome any documentation and proper research that would help. Thank you for listening."

Thunderous applause.

In Q&A, John pointed out that the Warren Commission did not question Palmer McBride. They questioned William Wulf. (Volume 8 p. 15) He met Oswald twice. Mr. Wulf was the president of the New Orleans Amateur Astronomy Association. John said he talked with Mr. Wulf and if you talk to him he will tell you that he was sick during the '56-'57 school year, sick, out of school. He met Oswald after that time. He puts the date in early '58. Wulf is restricted to talk about Oswald for 1954-'55 only, (Volume 8 p. 16 "Mr. LIEBELER. We want to inquire of you concerning possible knowledge that you have of Lee Harvey Oswald during the time that he lived in New Orleans during the period 1954-55. Before we get into the details of that, however, would you state your full name for the record." One of the interesting things that Wulf had to say was that when Oswald started talking about Communism his father threw him out of the house. John asked Wulf if he ever wondered why he, who had only met Oswald on two occasions for ten or fifteen minutes while McBride who worked with him for 7 or 8 months was not questioned? He says Palmer and I talked about that one time and we thought that I had a better story to tell.

I wonder if there's a double meaning in that?

John also explained that the tax forms he found them, first in the Dallas City Archives and then in the National Archives. And they are 1956 documents, and all I got here is a document that says Oswald worked at Pfisterer's in 1956 and yet McBride says Oswald was working there in 1957-'58. One of them is wrong. So what I did was I wrote to Linda, [and she] as president of Pfisterer's wrote the IRS and she said when was this tax number issued? And the tax number on that 1956 form was issued in January 1964.

Harrison Livingstone was trying to tell John to inform the ARRB of what he just informed us about. John responded that he did ask the ARRB how the Pfisterer's and Dolly Shoe Co. documents could have 1964 tax numbers on them for 1956 tax statements. Harry tried again, saying that you give the ARRB your shopping list of documents, that's what they are there for. John responded that they haven't answered his question yet. John didn't think they could or would, that's my opinion on John's stance on this particular part of John's work and his cooperation with the Board. John didn't seem to have high hopes for new information or answers from the Board.

Peter Dale Scott also tried to get John to open up to the ARRB. He suggested that the research community get together with John and add what they can to his work and make a collective request for documents and information, after all they are only going to be around until October of 1997. Mr. Scott thinks John Armstrong's research is one of the most important things going on in the case right now. John, rather pigheadedly (sorry John) responded to Peter, "What is the Review Board going to do with questions they just can't answer?"

A personal note here, if I may. No one knows better than me how frustrating the Review Board can be. They have a policy of secretiveness when it comes to their strategy for searching for documents. Thus, when a researcher offers valuable information that researcher often does not know if his or her work is being followed up. Sometimes you can tell that it is, sometime you cannot. I believe this is why John, who apparently did give some information to the Board, did not get a satisfactory reply and as a result he seems less willing to offer more information. I implore the research community, including John Armstrong, to adopt the following policy: assume that they are following up on the information you supplied. There is no way to determine, as far as I know, that they are not --- it is just difficult to determine if they are, so assume that they are. They cannot do their work without us and failing to take advantage of the opportunity given to us is just shooting ourselves in the foot. We will know in a short while what they followed up on and what they didn't.

There is also a fallacy that the ARRB is not investigating the case. I'm sorry that just is not true. A quest for documents is an investigation. The are investigating many things based on the official record, its inherent contradictions, why material is withheld, following up on information supplied to them from the research community on where documents, information and important witnesses to talk to are etc. and now to my great joy and delight they are actively investigating the medical evidence.

So, everyone, please do not assume that they aren't doing anything with the information you give them. If they don't, when they are gone and their stuff is in the National Archives, the research community will. I do not foresee this case as losing any momentum when the ARRB goes away. I think it will be very interesting in October of 1997.

Peter was really interested in the Red Cross document that John showed. If it is 1956, and the San Diego address, that just doesn't jibe with what the Warren Commission told us. Peter thought that John's hypothesis that this is some other Oswald could be correct, Peter said he does not understand this. Peter was intrigued with the Marine Corps. number he saw on that document 1653110, John piped in to say 3230, so I'm guessing the number on the documents was 1653230. Peter asked, "Is this document a fake, an artifact... John, "I got it from the National Archives." This produced loud laughter.

Peter said it very well, "We have to make the government come up with every piece of evidence we can and we have to tell them where to look for it."

John replied, "Do you really think that the government didn't know about this stuff that I've come up with in the first place 30 years ago?" That's not the point John.

Peter, "Well, some people are dead now that were covering up. There are all kinds of people in the government, not all of them are in on the conspiracy." Peter pointed out that the HSCA even under Blakey did use some of the materials the research community gave them.

Martin Shackelford gave a refreshingly brief presentation, bless him. This was based on the Michael Kurland scale on how to solve a murder. Mr. Kurland wrote a book on how to solve a murder.

Dr. Jerry Rose then served as a discussant on this panel. He thought Walt's material would make a great book. He did not like Walt's comment that his index to the Warren Commission completed Meagher's index. On Raymond Carroll and Ken Rahn's work, Jerry made a reference to the O.J. trial and what happened with DNA. Jerry said that in Carroll's paper Carroll was not going to deal with the authenticity of the material tested. Jerry made the analogy that the O.J. jury was not questioning the validity of DNA but rather what was tested and how it was tested and the same idea should apply here. He believed that the O.J. jury did not think that it was O.J.'s blood that was tested, he thought that they were interested in why a detective is walking around with a vial of O.J.'s blood before it was tested.

John Armstrong's paper wowed Jerry. Jerry mentioned that John has been a hell of a pest with his discoveries. Apparently John did not submit a paper like the rest of the speakers. Jerry wanted to make an abstract of all of the presenter's papers.

John in question and answer explained that Myra's name is Myra DeRularue (well I know I got it wrong again but that is what it sounded like. John was slow in pronouncing it) She is in the phone book in New Orleans. She saw Oswald every day, waiting at the door before the school opened and after school he would always hang around her if she was teaching volleyball. She felt that school was a second home to him because he didn't want to go home.

Monte Evans thought for a long time there were two Lee Harvey Oswalds, one named Lee the other named Harvey both existing at the same time. Monte mentioned that there is a Lee Harvey Oswald, "the" Lee Harvey Oswald living at three different places that the Warren Commission never had him, San Diego, North Dakota, and Memphis, Tenn.

Someone in the audience mentioned that there are no visible scars on the Lee Harvey Oswald shot in Dallas. There should have been a mastoid scar behind his left ear. Robert Groden notices this on p. 243 in his book, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald. John responded that he has a document from a Dr. Philben (sic?) in Dallas [who] performed a tonsilectomy on Lee in 1945 and there are two medical records in '57 and 58 where he is diagnosed as having tonsilitis.

Peter Dale Scott wanted John to use that with the contradictions of other medical problems and scars on Lee Harvey Oswald that move and vanish at different times.

Mr. Armstrong told Mr. Scott that he is restricting himself to Lee Harvey Oswald from birth to 1959 and he doesn't want to go beyond that. John thinks that the fellow that went to Russia is the one who was killed in Dallas. John then recounted a conversation he had with Joe Stiles, now a dentist, he went to school with Oswald. John was trying to find the guy who has his hands on Oswald's shoulder in the photograph. His name was Philip Anderson. John didn't know and he called Joe Stiles who referred him to a cousin of Philip's, a Tom Brown, who works for Lockheed. Tom told John that he knew that one of the kids in the photo is Lee Harvey Oswald. Tom said that a lot of us who went to school with him at Ridglea went to school with him at Montick. John asked if he knew where Oswald lived. Tom said yes he lived about 5 or 6 houses down from me.

John asked, "Where did you live?"

"On the corner of Bravis (sic?) and Davenport (sic?)

"Wait a minute draw me a map."

"Okay, draw Davenport street going horizontal, draw Bravis going vertical."

"Allright, I got four corners here which one did you live on?"

"I lived on the northeast corner."

According to Tom, Oswald lived across the street, five or six houses down. John asked the audience if anyone recognized the address, 7313 Davenport. It's the address of Robert Oswald from 1957 to 1961. Someone asked John about Robert Oswald's connection to the material presented. John said yes but he doesn't know what it is.

Someone else said that that is the same address as on one of Lee Harvey Oswald's passports. It is. See CE 946 volume 18 p. 161. It is just visible above a black line. This is the passport issued September 10, 1959.

John said there was another interesting thing. He went to the Ft. Worth Independent School District. John met a guy, Ralph Waller. He pulled out some old records on Oswald and gave them to John. John went back two weeks later and the guy said he couldn't talk to him and left. What John got was a Ft. Worth census roll in 1952 and it had Robert Oswald, birth date April 7 1934, right below that Robert Oswalt, with a "T", one day different on the birthday.

Walt Brown asked John about where Palmer McBride says Oswald threatened to kill President Eisenhower and could he confirm that with McBride. John tried to pin down a specific day with McBride. John is more interested in establishing dates than looking at statements, though he admitted he should care about those too. One of the other things McBride talks about is Lee referencing "recent Russian successes." Sputnik went up October 4, 1957. So if Lee is talking about Russian "successes", plural, it has to be after October 4, 1957. But Oswald is in the Marines in Japan after October 4, 1957.

John also contacted the New Orleans Historical Society to look up when a specific opera was performed in New Orleans, Boris Godunov. Palmer McBride told him he and Lee went to go see it. John found out it was performed October 9-12, 1957. That was it for the whole decade of the '50's. It was not performed again in New Orleans during the '50's.

Peter Dale Scott tried one more time and asked John if he is going to share his stuff with the Review Board and if not if we somehow got the Review Board to come to him. John said that without a guarantee that they would listen to him he would prefer to be subpoenaed. Peter also pointed out that if John is concentrating on the multiplication of conflicting Oswald reports he should look at the last four years because it goes up in the last 4 years. So, Peter thinks that John might not be viewing the best angle of this Oswald phenomenon. Peter Dale Scott also pointed out that Palmer McBride gave his interview on an Air Force Base to an OSI officer (William J. Sims).

Session # 4 had Barbara LaMonica as moderator. Panelists were Stan Weber, Jerry Rose, Sheldon Inkol and Peter Whitmey. Steve Jones served as discussant.

Stan Weber went first. He talked about a group of people associated with General Walker. His presentation was called "The Denton Connection". He talked about students involved in the Stevenson Rally. These were kids from North Texas University. He talked about a Bill Snodgrass (sic?). There was some Neo-Nazi activity in Denton. Stan thinks that the guy Lee Bowers saw could be either Bill Snodgrass or Bill Calhoun or Larry Florer. Larry Florer is in a plaid suit like Bowers described. ("Mr. BOWERS. Directly in line, towards the mouth of the underpass, there were two men. One man, middle-aged, or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another younger man, about mid twenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket." Volume 6 p. 287).

Stan also talked about Bill Moyers. Moyers went to North Texas state in 1952 to 1954. It was LBJ who asked Moyers to transfer to UT-Austin so he could help with the Johnson family business. Weber is suspicious of Moyers because he essentially appeared out of nowhere and took over Kenny O'Donnell's job on November 22. Also, because the infamous Katzenbach memo went to Moyers and not directly to Johnson.

I would recommend a good reading of the preface in Harold Weisberg's "Never Again!" for more on the Katzenbach memo and Moyers' part in it and the very important phone calls that were not released in the LBJ telephone tapes released by the LBJ library in 1993.

Weber thinks that Moyers was at the heart of the construction of the Warren Commission. He was certainly heavily involved in the WC's creation. He received an honorary degree in journalism from North Texas State.

Weber then talked of James Mike Howard, a graduate of North Texas State. He is a Secret Service agent, referred to as Mike Howard. Robert Oswald gives Mike Howard high marks for the way he treated the Oswald family in his book Lee. Many researcher have suspicions about Mike Howard. See Deep Politics by Peter Dale Scott p. 287-289 and The Man Who Knew Too Much by Dick Russell p. 615.

Sheldon Inkol spoke next on the topic of the Downtown Lincoln Mercury car dealership.

"The Presidential limousine could have cleared Dealey Plaza without making a single turn simply by staying on Main Street. Once through the triple underpass Main merges with Commerce St. and by making a standard right turn onto Industrial Boulevard William Greer could have taken the President directly to the luncheon site with the cost of only a few extra minutes. Had the motorcade followed this alternate route Greer would have been steering the limousine to within 200 yards of the Downtown Lincoln Mercury Ford Motor Co.

"Now there are several connections between Downtown Lincoln Mercury and the assassination of President Kennedy. In early November of 1963 a man who identified himself as Lee Oswald test drove a new car there. On November 22, the car dealership provided several cars that were used in the motorcade. Phil Willis, who was a luxury car salesman there as well as being a friend of Lyndon Johnson, was a [became a] famous photographer in Dealey Plaza. The husband of noted assassination researcher Mary Ferrell, as well as a distant cousin of hers both worked at Downtown Lincoln Mercury in 1963.

"Jack Lawrence was a salesman at Downtown Lincoln Mercury and he has been 'identified' as one of the killers of President Kennedy in assassination literature.

"Another salesman at Downtown Lincoln Mercury at the time of the assassination was investigated by the FBI in 1964, after the Warren report was published. And in 1968 one of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's investigators sought to link a different suspect, Robert Lee Perrin, to the car dealership. At about the same time another former Downtown Lincoln Mercury salesman became an object of suspicion under obscure circumstances and was later thought to be somehow connected to the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

"And I just got in the mail within the last few weeks something from Vince Palamara, who sent me a document that I believe has never been revealed before, and I will just briefly read part of it, 'On May 16, 1975 a Mr. James Alresen (sic?) stated that he was visiting Downtown Lincoln Mercury on the day of the assassination, immediately afterwards he went out to the car lots so he could turn the radio on inside one of the cars to hear the news bulletins. He stated that as he listened to the radio he observed three young men running down a parapet wall made of concrete which is located on the west side of the railroad cars parallel to the triple overpass where the assassination occurred. He stated that the three young men were heading North from Industrial. (Which is away from Downtown Lincoln Mercury.)

Sheldon then went into some detail on the topics he touched on briefly in his opening. Albert Bogard was a Downtown Lincoln Mercury salesman who accompanied Lee Oswald on the test drive. Oswald terrified Bogard by taking him on a wild ride at speeds up to 85 miles an hour. The Warren Commission placed the incident on November 9, 1963 and dismissed it because Oswald's whereabouts are known for that day and because supposedly Oswald did not know how to drive. Sheldon pointed out that Bogard had no reason to lie, his story did not change much over the years and he had corroboration from 4 co-workers. Bogard also passed a lie detector test administrated by the FBI. Sheldon thinks that someone who identified himself as Lee Oswald did test drive a car with Bogard.

Another salesman placed the incident on November 2, 1963. This would allow the real Lee Harvey Oswald to be involved. Sheldon explained that the real Lee Harvey Oswald for him was the one killed by Jack Ruby. Oswald worked only a few minutes away from the car dealership. Bogard showed Oswald every car in the showroom and the lot, went on the test drive that covered about 13 miles. Less than three weeks later the assassination occurs. Inkol thinks that if Bogard was fooled by an impostor that impostor had to be nearly identical with Oswald and there can be no innocent explanation for an impostor.

However, Inkol thinks it was the real Oswald who test drove the car. If this is true then Oswald was expecting to acquire some money within a couple of weeks. Apparently there was some kind of conspiracy of silence at the dealership not to tell the authorities. Jack Lawrence took it upon himself to alert the authorities about an Oswald who visited the dealership and was promptly fired shortly after making the call. FBI agents questioned Bogard the day after the assassination.

Word of this Oswald test driving incident reached NBC reporters from California, Gene Barnes and Ted Mann (sic?) who heard that Bogard went to Shreveport on Saturday, November 23, 1963 and flew there to interview him. How did the FBI react to NBC's initiative? According to the Los Angeles Herald Examiner written October 1964. It is written by Walter Winchell. "Isn't it true Mr. Chief Justice that a filmed interview with Mr. Bogard and other salesmen, one of whom was actually fired for tipping the Feds, has not been made public because some law men allegedly requested the network not to use it?"

Unbelievably, Inkol does not give the Chief Justice's response, or if there wasn't one he didn't explain that. He just went on.

On December 9, 1963 Bogard provided a written statement to FBI agents and they warned him that this statement may be used against him in a court of law.

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