Motorcycle Rebuttal re: Kathlee's reply to my original post:
KFITZ wrote:

> Vincent M. and Jessica K. Palamara wrote:
> >
> > :-(    DALLAS: JUST FOUR, NON-FLANKING MOTORCYCLES...
>
> I could not help noticing that you did not address the questions raised in
> the previous reply to your original post regarding motorcycles used for
> crowd control which dictates that movements and possible reason for
> deployment positions and the question regarding the definition of
> "flanking" as revealed in HSCA Vol. 11. Would you be kind enough to at
> least give us YOUR definition of motorcycle "flank" position so we can
> adequately interpret your statements regarding this in light of your
> particular definition and not have to deal with a semantics problem?

ALONGSIDE the presidential limo, esp. on JFK's side---this is the issue, as well
as the fraudelent notion that JFK did not want them there (beside him)

>
>
> In regards to crowd control, motorcade motorcycles are in constantly
> changing positions as the situation dictates. This is more than
> demonstrated in the film clips you use in your own presentations. For
> example, Ashland, Wis: no cycles along limo or to the rear; 2/62 with John
> Glenn: motorcycle COMES FROM REAR to intercept a woman rushing towards the
> limo; Billings, Montana: a. 2-3 only on 1 side of limo visible, b. 1 cycle
> at behind limo moves very far up along the side of the limo while the only
> other visible cycle on the opposition rear limo side moves up and
> disappears at the front of the limo and c. 2 cyles- both behind the limo
> but located opposite sides; unidentified: only 2 cycles visible and start
> out located at about mid limo but then 1 drops back to BEHIND the limo;
> Philadelphia: 2 cycles visible-1 at front bumper corner and 1 at opposite
> rear (with crowds very close to each side of limo).

It is intellectually dishonest and not good history to obfuscate the
point---again, I am not stupid enough to insist that EVERY trip JFK ever made
contained EVERY single element of maximum security effectiveness, as WAS borne
out, at least as far as the MOTORCYCLES are concerned, ON ALL THE PRIOR TEXAS
STOPS 11/21-11/22/63, as well as several---but not all--recent 1963 trips. Not
only does this debunk the fraudelent notion that JFK did not want motorcycles
beside him, it also demonstrates, in regard to the DALLAS trip, how ineffective
the security was, coupled with the CHANGE made (as Ritchie and others know full
well about) on 11/22/63 for the "president's" benefit...

>
>
> The examples above also relate to the deployment of the Dallas cycles to
> the rear of the limo. The reasoning for such deployment as stated
> previously was, according to Dallas Police Captain Lawrence, "... when it
> was mentioned about these motorcycle officers alongside the President's
> car, he (the S.S. agent) said, "No, these officers should be back and if
> any people started a rush toward the car, if there was any movement at all
> where the President was endangered in any way, these officers would be in
> a position to gun their motors and get between them and the Presidential
> car... " (HSCA VOL 11 p. 527).

See? THIS is the point: the DPD rightly asked if the motorcycles would ride beside

the limo/ JFK, then A SECRET SERVICE MAN SAID NO! EXACTLY; THANKS FOR
"RE-REMINDING" ME...

> Do not your own film clips which you use to
> illustrate how motorcycles were usually used in JFK motorcades demonstrate
> possibly that rear deployment was NOT so unusual?

What WAS unusual was the departure from the plan which was implemented on all the
prior Texas stops except Dallas, where a last minute change, blamed on JFK's
fraudelent "desires", were the catalyst for the departure: THIS is the issue.
Besides the lie (JFK's desires), this brought the remaining DPD officers out of
harm's way, reduced the number of professional eye/ earwitnesses from the scene,
AND effectively REDUCED SECURITY...and the SECRET SERVICE was responsible. Without

the lie, without the original plan, without all the motorcycles used on all the
prior Texas stops (and several [known] recent stops), then, yes, you would be
"correct" (to a point).

>
>
> >
> > FORT WORTH, MORNING OF 11/22/63:
> >
> > AT LEAST *8*, AND UPWARDS OF *12*, MOTORCYCLES USED FOR *EACH SIDE* OF THE
> > PRESIDENT'S CAR (4-6 ON EACH SIDE FROM FENDER TO FENDER]---P. 150 OF "JOHN
> > F. KENNEDY" BY LOUIS E. ANDERSON (1986); BLACK AND WHITE TEXAS NEWS FILM
> > INC. IN "KENNEDY IN TEXAS" VIDEO; COLR/ ATKINS FILM CLIP DEPICTING ONE OF
> > THESE MOTORCYCLES RIGHT BY JFK---MORE THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.
>
> >
> > HOUSTON, 11/21/63:
> >
> > *18* MOTORCYCLES, *9* ON EACH SIDE OF THE LIMO, BASED ON FILM CLIP FROM NBC
> > VIDEO 11/22/63 [OTHERS SEE 9 ON EACH SIDE, AS WELL]; FROM SECRET SERVICE
> > FINAL SURVEY REPORT, HOUSTON, TX, JFK DOC. # 014979; HSCA VOL. 11, P. 529:
> > "*SIX* MOTORCYCLES *FLANKED* THE LIMOUSINE AND AN ADDITIONAL *33*[!]
> > MOTORCYCLES WERE USED TO FLANK THE MOTORCADE AND COVER THE
> > INTERSECTIONS"---MORE THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.
>
> How many additional motorcycles were used in Dallas at intersections,
> etc., since you apparently attach particular significance to "AND AN
> ADDITIONAL *33*[!]" in Houston? Also something to consider is what was the
> total number of motorcycles in each police department in each city for use
> in a motorcade? Logic dictates that this number would vary and therefore
> impact any discussion or analysis of motorcycle use in relationship to the
> claim of it being an element that exemplifies an intentional lack of
> security, would it not?
>
> Also it is interesting that you have changed the above number of cycles to
> 18 from your original post of 6 cycles. Why is this? Are you now implying
> that the Final Survey Report stating use of 6 cycles is wrong? I ["and
> others"] do not see "9 on each side". Are you sure of your count since you
> possibly had reconsidered the number before?
>

Semantics and exact number aside, the quantity and quality of motorcycles was
better than in Dallas and this was blamed on JFK's "desires"---again, this is the
point.

> Why don't you post the Final Survey Report so everyone can see all the
> data contained in it so they can judge for themselves what they think it
> says?
>

Since you don't work and seem to have all the time in the world to respond to just

my posts, I'm sure YOU have the time---do it.

> >
> > SAN ANTONIO, 11/21/63:
> >
> > "ESCORT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCADE WAS PROVIDED BY THE SAN ANTONIO
> > POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND CONSISTED OF *18* MOTORCYCLE POLICEMEN. THESE CYCLES
> > WERE UTILIZED TO *FLANK* THE PRESIDENTIAL VEHICLE AS OUTRIDERS...
>
> Please outline the deployment positioning and movement of each of these
> cycles in order for the readers to better visualize the actual use of
> these cycles.

BESIDE JFK

>
>
> A SAN> ANTONIO POLICE *HELICOPTER* [!]WAS UTILIZED ALONG THE MOTORCADE
> ROUTE FOR> OBSERVATION PURPOSES...
>
> By the use of your punctuation, you again seem to place significance on
> "helicopter". Did the Dallas Police have a helicopter in 11/63? Also,
> could the difference in size (manpower) of the San Antonio police
> department vs. the Dallas police figure into the use of a helicopter? In
> addition, the use of a helicopter "for observation purposes" could be
> explained as an extra precaution in light of "without being questioned
> about the San Antonio leg of the Texas strip, Kellerman did recall the
> receipt of PRS information prior to November 21 regarding
> anti-Presidential picketing that did in fact occur in San Antonio on that
> date" [HSCA Vol. 11 p. 524]

"COULD", "IF", "IMO", ETC. ETC. ETC. [COMBINED FROM YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS]---OH,
SURE, "ANYTHING'S" POSSIBLE; MAYBE THE WORLD IS FLAT AFTER ALL...

>
>
> TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SECURITY ALONG THE MOTORCADE
> > ROUTE WAS PROVIDED BY THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND *MILITARY
> > POLICE*, FORT SAM, HOUSTON ALL INTERSECTIONS WERE CONTROLLED BY UNIFORMED
> > MEMBERS OF THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND *MILTARY POLICE*[TOTAL
> > MILTARY POLICE USED:40 MEMBERS!---RIF#154-10002-10424]"---AMONG OTHER
> > THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.
>
> Regarding the use of the military during presidential visits: Prior to
> November 1963 and except on very rare occasions, most of which involved
> the use of military personnel on military bases or on occasions such as
> inaugurations, manpower assistance to the Secret Service for physical
> protection of the President was limited to the police agencies (local and
> state) in the area where the President visited. [Document #
> 180-10090-10122 ]

THIS IS BULL---are the Stoughton photos---and various newsreels/ films---altered?

> So,the usual coordination for Presidential visit
> protection was and is between the Secret Service and local law
> enforcement.

"USUAL", except in San Antonio and ,COVERTLY-SPEAKING, DALLAS: the military
intelligence/ Col. Jones agents.

> IF local law enforcement can not provide adequate coverage
> and/or manpower to fulfill the needs outlined by the Secret Service, THEN
> the military is called in to assist. A town the size of Dallas with a very
> large local law enforcement contingency would not, in all probability,
> require the assistance of the military.

"IF", "PROBABILITY"...Oh, God...anyway, Col. Jones' men were there COVERTLY, just
not the typical uniformed men lining the street facing the crowd, as was the case
on several recent 1963 trips (not inc. 1961-1962)

>
>
> For example, during the past presidential campaign, visits to very small
> towns required military assistance for protection because there was just
> not enough local law to go around to get the job done. However, references
> to major city visits show much coordination with the locals and no mention
> of the military. You will also see references to military assists for
> Clinton's vacation to Wyoming. Same procedure/reasoning applies.

Was that in 1963?

>
>
> Regarding the coverage of intersections in Dallas which you note were
> covered by local police and military in San Antonio and seems to imply to
> you that this constitutes a lack of security: "Agent Lawson and Batchelor
> listed every intersection where there was a signal light, every railroad
> overpass and every traffic overpass on the route. These were carefully
> processed and from two to four men were stationed at each of these
> points." [Jesse Curry, "JFK Assassination File"] This is just one
> reference to the coverage of intersections in Dallas for which the
> manpower of the DPD was adequate WITHOUT having to call in additional
> manpower use such as the military.

Sure; whatever you say---yeah, the DPD/SS coverage was "adequate"...I mean, JFK
didn't die in Dallas...and, no, Col. Jones' men/ James Powell really weren't there

[covertly]...

>
>
> >
> > OTHER (RECENT) 1963 TRIPS:
> >
> > TAMPA, FLORIDA, 11/18/63: AT LEAST *6*, AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE *8*,
> > MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING THE LIMO ON BOTH SIDES [CECIL STOUGHTON PHOTOS];
> > AGENTS ON/ NEAR REAR OF LIMO, IN CITY AND SUBURBAN AREA [TAMPA TRIBUNE,
> > 11/19/63; CECIL STOUGHTON PHOTOS; NEWSREEL].
>
> Again, you have acknowledged yourself repeatedly that there were agents on
> and off the both of the JFK limo during the Dallas motorcade also, so why
> are you interjecting this here?

WHAT?!?!?! Clint Hill, four times before Dealey---THAT'S IT! I've been saying that

since day one---that has little or nothing to do with JFK's fraudelent desires,
John Ready, Emory Roberts, or anything else [strawman--can you say
"obfuscation"?].

>
>
>  "THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE *SECURED
> > THE ROOFS* OF MAJOR BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AND SUBURBAN AREAS...ALL
> > UNDERPASSES WERE CONTROLLED BY POLICE AND MILTARY UNITS" [RIF#
> > 154-10002-10423]---AMONG OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYLES, AND BETTER
> > POSITIONED THAN IN DALLAS.
>
> On overpass security and use of additional manpower above the local police
> department, see above.

I did, and I disagree...no sale.

> Additionally, in Dallas, "Police were assigned to
> each overpass on the route and instructed to keep them clear of
> unauthorized persons. No arrangements were made for police or building
> custodians to inspect buildings along the motorcade route SINCE THE SECRET
> SERVICE DID NOT NORMALLY REQUEST OR MAKE SUCH CHECKS" [WR p. 39]

The Warren Report said it---that settles it for me; "case closed"....

> and
> "Advance agent Lawson testified in 1964 that the Secret Service did not
> check buildings along a motorcade route except under three circumstances:
> Presidential inaugurations, visits by a king or a president of a foreign
> country, or when the motorcade route has been known for years." [HSCA Vol.
> 11]

As with the WR reference above, TOTAL BULL---they did indeed, as in Nashville, TN,

in 1963 [JFK's first trip there as president], as well as NY, for example.

> Also, it should be noted that there were more potential threat
> concerns relating to the anti-Castro Cubans and proposed demonstrations in
> Tampa. Could this be the reason for the "secured" roofs of major
> buildings?

Maybe; maybe not. This was done before, as well. Again, the impossible lack of PRS

subjects for the Dallas trip was the key element that, coupled with JFK's
fraudelent "desires" , determined alot of what did---and did not---happen in
Dallas on 11/22/63. The Secret Service lied and were responsible---the buck stops
there, NOT with the murdered president OR even with the DPD.

>
>
> >
> > [CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR MORE PHOTOS OF BILLINGS, MONTANA AND PHILADELPHIA,
> > PA TRIPS---CURRENT PHOTOS NOT CONCLUSIVE ON MOTORCYCLE ISSUE]

Amen

> >
> > EL PASO, TX, 6/5/63:
> >
> > (CONNALLY, BEHN, GREER, AGENTS ON LIMO) *6* MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING LIMO AND
> > MILTARY OFFICERS [ARMY, I THINK] LINING STREET, FACING THE CROWD [CECIL
> > STOUGHTON PHOTOS, NEWSREEL]---AMONG OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN
> > DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED
>
> What was the positioning in El Paso exactly for each cycle? This needs to
> be answered before a determination of "better" can be assessed.

Next to JFK---you lose.

>
>
> >
> >
> > NASHVILLE, TN, 5/18/63: > [FROM "NASHVILLE BANNER", 5/18/63 AND VARIOUS
> DNC/ RELATED > DOCUMENTS]COMPLETE SS CHECK OF MOTORCADE ROUTE,
>
>
>
>  POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO> THE ROOFS OF BUILDINGS ALL ALONG THE
> ROUTE,
> HELICOPTER USED,
>
>
> MOTORCYCLES> RIGHT BESIDE JFK [# NOT CONFIRMED]---AMONG OTHER THINGS,
> MOTORCYCLES BETTER> POSITIONED THAN IN DALLAS
>
> Where the motorcycles in Dallas AT NO TIME *beside* the JFK limo during
> the entire motorcade?

This was never my point to begin with---did the assassination occur at Love
Field?!?!

>

> Your focus appears to be on their position in Dealey
> rather than their various positions throughout the motorcade. A flaw in
> that may

"may"---NOT!
> be in not considering that "The security planning for the
> motorcade was most detailed in those areas where the motorcade would be at
> a relatively slow speed and exposed to the most people. At the end of the
> downtown parade route the motorcade was to turn from Main to Houston.
> Crowds at that point were expected to be relatively light, and they were.
> At the turn from Houston to Elm the parade was considered OVER. At this
> point the motorcade was to pick up speed and enter the freeway at the
> triple underpass."
>

Until you interview the agents and do true primary research, these official
documents will keep giving you the preordained answers you seem to want (or maybe
Terry Samway wants it that way, huh?)---looking at ALL the elements is the key,
not saying that the Secret Service is wonderful, I don't believe they were at
fault, and now I am going to prove it from all of their documents and official
reports. Give me (us) a break! You should have been the Inspector General for the
CIA for their Bay of Pigs report: I'll bet they would have loved that.

> >
> >
> > CHICAGO, IL, 3/23/63:
> >
> > *SIX* MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING THE LIMO, MAYOR'S FOLLOW-UP CAR WITH 4
> > DETECTIVES,
>
> The use of a detective car is a non-issue in evaluating any potential lack
> of security in Dallas as it was NOT A DEVIATION FROM STANDARD PROCEDURES.

"STANDARD PROCEDURES"...Oh, God...Anyway, it is when you look at the big picture:
everything else that was cancelled AS WELL AS Chief Curry's dismay and concern
over this issue

> No detective car in motorcades was NOT UNUSUAL. "For the Secret Service,
> the rejection of this Dallas Police Department suggestion was not unusual
> in itself.

"in itself"...

> Lawson testified before the Warren Commission that-with the
> exception of New York City motorcades,

and others!

> it was not the Secret Service's
> standard practice

standard practice...

> to insert a police homicide [detective] car into a
> motorcade. He did not remember who recommended either its insertion, its
> proposed placement, or its cancellation.

"how convenient"!

>  On November 14, 1963, Lawson met
> with Dallas SAIC Sorrels and Dallas Police Department Chief Jesse Curry
> and 'laid out the tentative number of vehicles that would be in the parade
> and the order in which they would be.' Curry stated at the organizational
> meeting on November 21 that he 'thought we had planned that Captain Fritz
> [Chief of DPD Homicide] would be in the motorcade behind the Vice
> President's car.' Sorrels spoke up at that point and stated that 'nothing
> was discussed on that.'

Sorrels is wrong.

> Lawson explained that a car with Secret Service
> agents would follow the Vice President's car

of course; that was not the point...

> and added that the protective
> detail would like to have a police car bring up the rear of the motorcade.
> Curry then instructed Deputy Chief Lunday to take care of the matter".
> [HSCA Vol. 11 p. 529-30]
>
> AGENTS ON LIMO,
>
>
>
>  POLICE OFFICERS *FACING THE CROWD* AND NOT THE > PRESIDENT (TREMENDOUS
> POLICE PRESENCE), *FOUR* PATROLMEN ON OVERPASSES W/ SS > INSISITING THAT
> *NOONE* BE ALLOWED ON THEM [RIF# 154-10003-10012]
>
> See above for comments on security measures taken for Dallas overpasses.

and "see above" for my rebuttal...

> In addition Chief Curry wrote "Mr. Lawson [Secret Service] advised us that
> we should have men on each railroad and traffic overpass near the
> motorcade. Officers were to be instructed not to let anyone stand over the
> immediate path of the Presidential party." So it seems the Secret Service
> told DPD to do this and it was up to the DPD to implement this. It should
> be considered in light of this that, if the DPD officers on the triple
> overpass allowed people on there, it was a potential problem created by
> the Dallas police and not the Secret Service.
>

Maybe; maybe not. It was the SECRET SERVICE who implemented the order and had the
authority here, not the other way around.

> ---AMONG > OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER
> POSITIONED.
>
> What exactly was the deployment and movements during the Chicago motorcade
> so the statement that it was "better" can be properly evaluated by the
> readers?

BESIDE JFK

>
>
> Motorcades and Motorcycles Not Addressed by Mr. Palamara: A highly
> respected researcher

Hi, Tony Marsh [why not name him?]

> informed me that " In some previous motorcades, no
> motorcycle escorts were used near the limousine.

No ---really? WERE THEIR ABSENCE BLAMED ON JFK THE DAY OF HIS MURDER? WAS JFK

MURDERED ON SOME OTHER TRIP?

> In some there were
> motorcycles in front of and just behind the limousine... Abby Rowe's photo
> AR 7791-J taken on 3/27/63 shows no motorcycles near the limousine, but a
> motorcycle flanking cars further back in the motorcade...

INCONCLUSIVE---EXAMPLE: IN ONE PHOTO OF THE FORT WORTH TRIP, ONLY ONE MOTORCYCLE
IS BY THE LIMO (ALTHOUGH IT IS BY JFK [:-)]), WHILE OTHER PHOTOS DEPICT 4-6 ON
EACH SIDE OF THE LIMO FROM FENDER TO FENDER!

> In Abby Rowe's
> photo AR 6687D taken on June 11, 1961 there are no motorcycles close to
> the limousine.

1962...1963...?

> There is a motorcycle to the right of the car behind the
> limousine. This is also an interesting photo for a couple of other
> reasons. There are two Secret Service agents walking just behind the
> limousine. One appears to be Kellerman. So much for always keeping the
> motorcade speeds up near 40 MPH for maximum security! "

WHO SAID THAT? I KNOW PROUTY HAS---IS THAT WHO HE MEANS?

>
>
> It should also be acknowledged with all this discussion of motorcycle
> deployment in JFK motorcades that, even with 10 motorcycles on each side
> of the limo, an accurate rifle shoot from the rear (be it from the TSBD or
> Dal-Tex] would not have been deterred so they may not have made any
> difference in the outcome anyway.

YES, I AGREE---WHY EVEN PROTECT JFK AT ALL; HELL, WHY NOT PAINT A BULLSEYE ON HIS
SUIT JACKET---I MEAN, NOTHING WOULD HAVE HELPED HIM, RIGHT?

>
>
> I have written this before but it may be worth repeating here regarding
> Presidential Protection in general:
>

I HAVE THIS ALREADY---"THANKS"....

> Shots Fired at the President!
>
> "Officials acknowledge that in a democratic society, there will be
> 'trade-offs' between complete protection and the desire of elected leaders
> to mingle with the public.... points up basic flaws in the way this
> balance is reached.
>
> "Among the criticisms being voiced here:
>
> * Lack of proper communication between the Federal Bureau of Investigation
> (FBI) and the Secret Service.
>
> *Unclear lines of authority between the Secret Service and the White House
> regarding security.
>
> *Heavy reliance by the Secret Service on less-experienced local
> law-enforcement officials.
>
> *Privacy considerations that may be hampering the intelligence gathering
> neccessary to prevent assassination attempts."
>
> Sounds like the WC, right? Wrong... this is an excerpt from a newspaper
> article written 4/6/81 regarding the Reagan assassination attempt. By that
> time, many advances And funding had been made in the area of presidential
> protection.

EVERYONE, PLEASE READ THE NEXT PARAGRAPH VERY CAREFULLY:

> Maybe we should consider how extremely difficult it is to
> protect the President or, for that matter, any one who is out in the open
> surrounded by a mass of people. JFK was probably correct in his statement
> to the effect that, if someone seriously wants to get you and uses a
> rifle, they will get you regardless of the security measures in place.
> Most people I have conversed with and most of what I have read also add
> that, if a would-be assassin is willing to give up their own life to
> accomplish an assassination, the assassination attempt has a Very high
* probability of success.

WHY EVEN HAVE THE SECRET SERVICE IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHAT WERE THEY THEN---MERELY HOOD ORNAMENTS???

VINCE PALAMARA

>
>
* Kathlee Fitzgerald

[I REINFORCED MY POSITION---AND MY REBUTTAL---WITH THIS POSTING:]
From Peter Dale Scott's excellent "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK", pp.
277-278:

    "Another army reserve officer in Dealey Plaza may have been Winston
Lawson, the White House Secret Service agent responsible for the choice of
the Kennedy motorcade route (4 WH 318). Lawson's first three reports of what
happened on and before November 22 raise considerable questions about his
performance. For example he reported that motorcycles were used on "the
right and left flanks of the President's car" (17 WH 605; cf. 17 WH 624, 18
WH 741) although photographs show that they accompanied at the rear (21 WH
768-70). Numerous later reports from the Dallas police agreed that at
Lawson's own instructions the proposed side escorts were redeployed to the
rear of the car (7 WH 581, 3 WH 244, 18 WH 809, 21 WH 571). This change,
ostensibly for the sake of security, would appear to leave the President
more open to a possible crossfire.
    Lawson also noted that "the motorcycles cleared a path to the Parkland
Hospital" (17 WH 629), and later that his own car (the lead car, between
Lumpkin's and the President's) "assisited the motorcycles in escorting the
President's vehicle to Parkland Hospital" (17 WH 632; cf. 21 WH 580). These
claims are inconsistent with the radio orders on police channels to clear a
route to Parkland (and block off the side streets), which had been issued,
not for the President's car, but for the ambulance summoned by the
psuedo-emergency of the so-called "epileptic seizure" (23 WH 841; cf. 17 WH
368, 395).
    Lawson's sworn testimony to the Warren Commission said nothing about the
motorcycles escort; and it painteda picture even harder to reconcile with
the orders for a route to be cleared" "We had to do some stopping of cars
and holding our hands out the windows and blowing the sirens and the horns
to get through" (4 WH 354). No one on the Commission asked about the orders
on the police radio transcript, by which other cars had already been blocked
from the route."
[SEE ALSO "HIGH TREASON", PP. 130-132]

:-(    DALLAS: JUST FOUR, NON-FLANKING MOTORCYCLES...

FORT WORTH, MORNING OF 11/22/63:

AT LEAST *8*, AND UPWARDS OF *12*, MOTORCYCLES USED FOR *EACH SIDE* OF THE
PRESIDENT'S CAR (4-6 ON EACH SIDE FROM FENDER TO FENDER]---P. 150 OF "JOHN
F. KENNEDY" BY LOUIS E. ANDERSON (1986); BLACK AND WHITE TEXAS NEWS FILM
INC. IN "KENNEDY IN TEXAS" VIDEO; COLR/ ATKINS FILM CLIP DEPICTING ONE OF
THESE MOTORCYCLES RIGHT BY JFK---MORE THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.

HOUSTON, 11/21/63:

*18* MOTORCYCLES, *9* ON EACH SIDE OF THE LIMO, BASED ON FILM CLIP FROM NBC
VIDEO 11/22/63 [OTHERS SEE 9 ON EACH SIDE, AS WELL]; FROM SECRET SERVICE
FINAL SURVEY REPORT, HOUSTON, TX, JFK DOC. # 014979; HSCA VOL. 11, P. 529:
"*SIX* MOTORCYCLES *FLANKED* THE LIMOUSINE AND AN ADDITIONAL *33*[!]
MOTORCYCLES WERE USED TO FLANK THE MOTORCADE AND COVER THE
INTERSECTIONS"---MORE THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.

SAN ANTONIO, 11/21/63:

"ESCORT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCADE WAS PROVIDED BY THE SAN ANTONIO
POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND CONSISTED OF *18* MOTORCYCLE POLICEMEN. THESE CYCLES
WERE UTILIZED TO *FLANK* THE PRESIDENTIAL VEHICLE AS OUTRIDERS...A SAN
ANTONIO POLICE *HELICOPTER* [!]WAS UTILIZED ALONG THE MOTORCADE ROUTE FOR
OBSERVATION PURPOSES...TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SECURITY ALONG THE MOTORCADE
ROUTE WAS PROVIDED BY THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND *MILITARY
POLICE*, FORT SAM, HOUSTON ALL INTERSECTIONS WERE CONTROLLED BY UNIFORMED
MEMBERS OF THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND *MILTARY POLICE*[TOTAL
MILTARY POLICE USED:40 MEMBERS!---RIF#154-10002-10424]"---AMONG OTHER
THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.

OTHER (RECENT) 1963 TRIPS:

TAMPA, FLORIDA, 11/18/63: AT LEAST *6*, AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE *8*,
MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING THE LIMO ON BOTH SIDES [CECIL STOUGHTON PHOTOS];
AGENTS ON/ NEAR REAR OF LIMO, IN CITY AND SUBURBAN AREA [TAMPA TRIBUNE,
11/19/63; CECIL STOUGHTON PHOTOS; NEWSREEL]. "THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE *SECURED
THE ROOFS* OF MAJOR BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AND SUBURBAN AREAS...ALL
UNDERPASSES WERE CONTROLLED BY POLICE AND MILTARY UNITS" [RIF#
154-10002-10423]---AMONG OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYLES, AND BETTER
POSITIONED THAN IN DALLAS.

[CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR MORE PHOTOS OF BILLINGS, MONTANA AND PHILADELPHIA,
PA TRIPS---CURRENT PHOTOS NOT CONCLUSIVE ON MOTORCYCLE ISSUE]

EL PASO, TX, 6/5/63:

(CONNALLY, BEHN, GREER, AGENTS ON LIMO) *6* MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING LIMO AND
MILTARY OFFICERS [ARMY, I THINK] LINING STREET, FACING THE CROWD [CECIL
STOUGHTON PHOTOS, NEWSREEL]---AMONG OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN
DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED


NASHVILLE, TN, 5/18/63:
[FROM "NASHVILLE BANNER", 5/18/63 AND VARIOUS DNC/ RELATED
DOCUMENTS]COMPLETE SS CHECK OF MOTORCADE ROUTE, POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO
THE ROOFS OF BUILDINGS ALL ALONG THE ROUTE, HELICOPTER USED,MOTORCYCLES
RIGHT BESIDE JFK [# NOT CONFIRMED]---AMONG OTHER THINGS, MOTORCYCLES BETTER
POSITIONED THAN IN DALLAS


CHICAGO, IL, 3/23/63:

*SIX* MOTORCYCLES SURROUNDING THE LIMO, MAYOR'S FOLLOW-UP CAR WITH 4
DETECTIVES, AGENTS ON LIMO, POLICE OFFICERS *FACING THE CROWD* AND NOT THE
PRESIDENT (TREMENDOUS POLICE PRESENCE), *FOUR* PATROLMEN ON OVERPASSES W/ SS
INSISITING THAT *NOONE* BE ALLOWED ON THEM [RIF# 154-10003-10012]---AMONG
OTHER THINGS, MORE MOTORCYCLES THAN IN DALLAS, AND BETTER POSITIONED.

VINCE PALAMARA