Corrections to Transcript
New Orleans ARRB Public Hearing
June 28, 1995
(by Martin Shackelford)

p. 6
line 2: Register." So that process has now been completed. 
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line 7: some familiarity with this investigation and prosecution, that
line 17: make some sense out of what happened.
line 20: whether the records that have been held at your office
line 24: MR. HALL: Yes. Has there been any additions, 
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line 12: trial until we took office in '74. I think that a lot of
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line 10: and all of those things are gone. We'll be happy to work with
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line 7: MR. HALL: Do you know if a public servant under
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line 8: shape.       MR. JOYCE: Thank you very much
line 22: On the Kennedy Act, the John Kennedy Act, [F. isn't mentioned]
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line 7: event designating the following records as part of the
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line 5: to the President Kennedy's assassination from the House Select 
line 15: such as its liaison files with the House Select Committee on 
line 22: primarily in CIA's work with Cuban exile groups in the early 
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line 12: Pike Committee that have been transferred. It's important
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line 7: on November the 29th, 1963. They have just recently been released
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line 18: over a million pages of documents so far. And we are awaiting
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line 6: MR. TILLEY: Well, I think in certain
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line 5: finding aid, which the database is. 
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line 25: doubt, that we will then have to do record identification forms


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line 6: of records could very well take that long because it is a very
line 12: in, do some archival processing on them and then as soon
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line 16: occurred. And at that time I was 16, a senior at the Academy of 
line 25: Irving Dymond, who was the criminal attorney in charge of 
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line 1: the defense team, and Sal Panzeca. These are the
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line 4: Croix de Guerre from France, the Legion of Merit and the Bronze
line 24: what there was or what little there was, that they they
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line 3: I don't believe that either Mr. Dymond or Mr. 
line 4: Panzeca or my Uncle Billy have any records because they have
line 6: Mr. Dymond and Billy Wegmann and Sal Panzeca should be
line 24: --at the defense team. When Mr. Gurvich left, he made a
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line 2: departure, which was sometime in June of 1967. And since
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line 2: don't know. I became an admiralty attorney and didn't 
line 14: supporter for Clay Shaw during the trial. And I, unfortunately,
just
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line 19: with its rogues gallery of witnesses and colorful attorneys
[comma deleted between rogues and gallery]
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line 4: Quarter preservationists most New Orleanians remember him to 
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line 2: following documents, all of which have particular [ly deleted]
line 9: in the possession of the current Orleans Parish District
Attorney's Office;
line 13: appeals court staff for safekeeping; all classified ['s deleted
after court]
line 22: and/or Central Mondiale Commerciale, on whose boards Mr. 
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line 4: Irving Dymond in preparation for the defense of Mr. Shaw
line 8: notes and materials compiled by Messrs. L.J. Delsa and 
line 24: filed by "Newsweek," "Time," "Esquire," "The Washington Post," 
line 25: they trot out all the Warren Report apologists who heap 
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line 24: averring on camera, and I quote, "Despite all the attacks, the
Warren
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line 6: "divine things the ear cannot hear and the eye cannot see." End
quote.
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line 25: the case, for example, Mark Lane, the author, James Phelan, 


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line 16: Everyone I've ever spoken to, for example, who knew Mr. Shaw
echoes
line 21: may have led Mr. Garrison on his path, perhaps not as ['s
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line 3: MR. HALL: A fair amount of what you've written
line 11: cultural approach to that, if you willl. But for what it's 
line 12: worth, my personal belief is, to illustrate by example, is that
I [commas added]
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line 8: QKENCHANT, one of the cryptonyms that the CIA is fond of, you
know, 
line 24: Mr. Ferrie has left quite an interesting trail
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line 4: been endorsed or sanctioned in some way by the Ochsner Medical
line 16: concentrated on the record trail of all the people involved
line 18: Harvey Oswald came and went without much of a trail, except
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line 6: was obviously a hotbed of anti-Castro activity. And personally, 
line 20: trail in and out of that has been documented
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line 1: MR. TYLER: Well, I mean, I think New Orleans being
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line 4: donating to our collection, the public's collection, today. 
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line 11: I'm one of the very few academicians who has researched
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line 6: Beschloss, struck me as very odd, and I'd like to quote the
line 12: conspiracy. As Helms recalled, the Agency was --and here
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line 3: records is a fundamental question for which some trail of
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line 17: Couch set of photographs to David Lifton in 1988 and 
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line 6: exist. Surely some trail of evidence exists about these
line 23: Mannlicher Carcano  and showed only a brief flash on the
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line 9: Smith and Joseph Califano, that quote "Kennedy was trying to get
line 10: Castro but Castro got him first." End quote.  The possibility of
Cuban
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line 14: One record, one potential record comes from a rather
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line 13: President Kennedy's civil rights policies with a group of 
line 19: Banister was not discussing anti communism, for
line 22: segregationist to say the least, virulently critical of

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line 1: Board to peruse the FBI files on such topics as Leander H. [J.
deleted]
line 7: DeLesseps [Chep deleted] Morrison Collection from Tulane
University
line 12: at the Tulane Library because Mr. Hubert was a junior counsel 
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line 23: MS. NELSON: Are you, Professor Kurtz, are you aware of the
line 25: someone who--or a memoir I believe it is--of someone who saw
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line 7: fairly strong majority of the community of Kennedy
line 9: conspiracy in the assassination [comma deleted] do not agree that
Castro
line 12: a grain of salt--I mean I take them with a grain of salt and I 
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line 13: Kennedy family's control of the autopsy materials. I'm just
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line 13: included [a deleted] offense reports, such as the one for Jack
line 20: We have also records from the [New deleted] Orleans Parish
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line 11: card in the back that has written in, "Due on September the 9th,

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line 19: Library, and after some preliminary arrangement and
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line 13: several occasions we decided fairly early on that we would
line 23: include are photocopies of portions of the court record in the 
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line 7: are in the nature of fan mail, people are writing letters
line 12: people from around the country who are offering their own
line 18: There's one letter from Garrison to Marina Oswald Porter, a
line 20: Irving Dymond, who was Shaw's criminal attorney, concerning
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line 13: believe that Lou Ivon"--another of his assistants--"has
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line 1: two of them as giving us some sort of a flavor of what is in
line 7: but if they weren't, they we wouldn't know who our friends
line 16: a copy of Garrison's letter to Lord Bertrand Russell, who
line 21: President's killers and then Garrison goes on to say, and I
quote:
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line 4: relations with the Gehlen Intelligence apparatus instituted 
line 6: "Elements of the Gehlen apparatus appear to have
line 24 three 16 millimeter rolls of film and I gave Tom Samoluk a set of

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line 12: microfilms, are out in publicly-accessible areas. We really
line 14: We did, wehn we did the films, is make two sets of films so that
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line 5: Last month, I did get a letter from the District
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line 4: Do you have any information like that or any guidance that might
line 15: But, no, I haven't really had those kinds of 
line 24: Orleans Public Library. I've had the pleasure of doing 
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line 1: substantive materials, really one of the best facilities in the 
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line 20: the capital cases and other first class cased had been
line 24: They were not trying to keep this from me. The
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line 2: this certainly made an easy decision for us to go ahead
line 19: criminal justice system. But those were published reports
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line 9: especially pertinent to us were in a state of disarray and 
line 22: haven't already talked to the State Archives, just talk to
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line 20: complete this morning's public hearing. Mr. Elton William
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line 3: I've been a criminal defense lawyer for 21 years specializing
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line 2: informant for the Sheriff's Department and the County ['s
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line 7: Carter, who was a Beckley Street occupant and possibly helped
line 9: been reported that Killam also resided at the Beckley Street
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line 1: Harvey Oswald and also know Jack Ruby, that he had special 
line 12: on Beckley Avenue and was seen in the company of Oswald
line 21: extent of the Commission exhibit's interview with Mr. Killam
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line 6: earlier--that our colleague Dr. Henry Graff was unable to
line 9: think has been very helpful and very interesting, given us
line 10: some excellent leads, and more importantly, given us some
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line 21: Privacy Act, and then a discussion and a vote on the type [s
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line 4: back at 2:00 p.m. Thank you very much.