Assassination Records Review Board
10-11-94 National Archives (D.C.) Public Hearing transcript
Corrections by Martin Shackelford from the videotape
INTRODUCTION by John Tunheim
p.5
Line 3: And I was at a meeting recently where a researcher who had
carefully (Added "And")
TESTIMONY of Jim Lesar
p. 10
Line 36: is an investigation of the whole United States Government
(Lesar: No) and I wonder if you (Added Lesar comment)
p. 12
Line 18: they consider to be vital and important, and, again, I think
that is what you have to (instead of" important. Again, I
think")
TESTIMONY of Mark Zaid and Charles Sanders
Line 36: Board. We appreciate the opportunity to comment on what the
definition (instead of "make comments on")
p. 13
Line 20: President John F. Kennedy, that was created or made available
for use by, (comma after Kennedy added)
p. 14
Line 7: are reasonably related to the history surrounding the
assassination. (not "this")
Line 19: no test of relevancy and relies, instead, upon logic and general
experience. In (instead of relevance)
p. 15
Line 24: And with that, I will turn to my co-author, Mr. Sanders, to
conclude our
("And" added)
Line 31: been mentioned, and one that has not. The first point that has
already been ("point" replaces "one")
p. 16
Line 1: conclude that that is part of what Congress intended, those
records should be (replaces "concluded")
Line 37: because of Lee Harvey Oswald's being stationed in Japan, that
perhaps the (" 's" added to "Oswald")
p. 17
Line 8: government that seems to have been lacking over the entire
Kennedy assassination ("been" instead of "bee")
Line 29: a broader nature, and in that sense, I would not necessarily
delineate that one (",and" added after "nature")
p. 18
Line 37: applied to kind of an amorphous group of records was not going
to work without a ("amorphus" to "amorphous"; "group" added, "be"
deleted before "work")
p. 19
Line 17: about our work, and it troubles me a little bit in terms of a
priority. That is, we (",and" added after "work")
Line 19: Kermit Hall's position-if we seek the broad historical
background, or if we go in ("if" added)
Line 24: not become a free-for-all and the perception to the public
becomes, well, you ("that" deleted before "the perception")
Line 31: way. If someone wants access, wants the Board to request access
to a particular ("to" added before "request")
p. 20
Line 41: relationship of what an historical inquirer might be after and
what the legal ("inquire" changed to "inquirer")
p. 21
Line 25: Tobacco and Firearms, I believe in the early '60s, many have
deemed those records (comma added after "60's")
p. 22
Line 1: run afoul of that it's a constitutional taking and have to
reimburse the individual. ("afoul" replaces "a foul"; "the"
becomes "that it's a")
Line 25: MR. SANDERS: The Zapruder film remains a protected copyright,
and other (Sanders adds this comment following Zaid's remarks)
Line 41: cables, for example, to Miami and to the Mexico City CIA Station
is a subject near ("Mexican" becomes "Mexico," and "CI"
becomes "CIA")
TESTIMONY of John Newman
p. 23
Line 6: latest release. I've looked at that. We do have some more
materials there, but ("I" becomes "I've")
Line 8: individual historian, but I believe that she identified a very
important set of ("I believe, as she identified, a very"
is corrected)
Line 16: them to satisfy ourselves that they are or are not. So we've got
a lot of work to do ("we have" changed to "we've
got")
Line 27: to the Agency's perception of the alleged murderer is going to
be something you ("murder" to "murderer")
p. 24
Line 5: researcher or the Board, whoever, whenever someone can
demonstrate that ("or" deleted before "whoever"
Line 13: which show this. We have Director Helms' contemporaneous
statements to the Warren ("have" added after "We")
Line 29: decision, although I must say, there are tens of thousands of
pages still being ("just" changed to "must")
p. 25
Line 18: Federal agencies are, and I think this is a serious problem, and
I'll say no more ("problem. I will say" changed to
"problem, and I'll say")
Line 32: showed to serials to Mr. Tilley in the Archives, he didn't
recognize them. They ("series" changed to "serials")
Line 36: was in Russia. That generated at a lot of material that went
into a file which we ("that" changed to "which")
p. 26
Line 29: MR. NEWMAN: No, it was at the last meeting. (from "it was a
meeting")
p. 27
Line 30: bringing those things to you that we found that are concrete.
But the broad concepts, I think, are ("that we found"
added)
p. 28
Line 7: MR. NEWMAN: I think that you are talking about a perception here,
and the ("I think that" added)
TESTIMONY of Dan Alcorn
Line 27: MR. ALCORN: I am very pleased to be here, very pleased that
("and" deleted before second "very pleased")
p. 29
Line 9: deterioration in the polling data since 1964 ("from" changed
to "since")
Line 24: against Cuba that was conducted in June 1963, which is known as
the Bayo- ("Bay" replaced by "Bayo"-this refers to Eddie
Bayo)
Line 25: Pawley Affair. It is something that has been publicly known
since 1975, but the ("O'Pawley" corrected to
"Pawley")
p. 30
Line 31: operations together in Florida in June of 1963, and it is the
kind of now corroborated ("1963. It is" changed to
"1963, and it is")
TESTIMONY of Peter Dale Scott
p. 33
Line 21: assassin. I refer you here to the Warren Commission Document
1359, a top ("assassination" changed to "assassin")
Line 30: Or, for example, on the CIA side, Mexi Cable 7012 of November
22nd, the first ("Or, for example" added)
Line 40: Oswald. This, I think, should be a top target for you, and this
is what led me to ("for you. This is" changed to "for
you, and this is")
p. 34
Line 14: withheld, that, that is the record of that upgrading, it,
itself, part of the
("a part of the" changed to "part of the")
Line21: And finally, with respect to any assassination record, deception,
("And" added, and in the next two places)
Line 33: And I think, putatively, there did exist tapes of someone
identifying
Line 40: And I think you can see that this is, in fact, not a frivolous
or trivial
p. 35
Line 28: by the way, it is not a new statement, it is a new version of
the November 23rd ("statement" replaced by
"version")
Line 35: I would have said, putatively, the documentary record-and I
won't
("record" added)
p. 36
Line 23: should resolve this problem and review the relevant facts
("relative" is changed to "relevant")
Line 30: Lee Harvey Oswald. I hope you will pursue that original file. I
predict it
("I predict that it" is changed to "I predict it")
TESTIMONY of John Judge
p. 38
Line 36: even as late as today to me from the Conference that embassies
abroad ("embassies have borrowed" becomes "embassies
abroad")
Line 39: But also the law seems to extend to contractors and
subcontractors of
("But" added)
p. 39
Line 1: are firms like Jagger-Chiles-Stovall, or Oswald Work, or the
Double-Chek firm
(correcting the spelling of "Double Check" to "Double-Chek," the firm's
name)
Line 37: records were filed might help in terms of revealing things that
would otherwise ("might" changed to "would")
Line 40: how the scope might go beyond what is originally seen, my
personal thesis, and ("theses" changed to "thesis")
p. 40
Line 29: of justice or theft or destruction of these documents, or
evidence of newly released ("or theft of destruction"
changed to "or destruction")
Line 35: far as we know, on the Selectrics at that time
("selectrics" changed to the IBM brand name
"Selectrics")
p. 41
Line 19: But I think generally in order to overcome cynicism the search
should
("But" added)
p. 42
Line 8: So it's a balancing act. ("it is" changed to
"it's")
Line 27: [No response] MR. JUDGE: Thanks. (added)
TESTIMONY of William Kelly
Line 41: And I think that the missions that Mr. Martino was involved in
are
("And" added)
p. 43
Line 20: The Death of a President. Ruth Paine, when she testified before
the Warren (spelling of "Payne" corrected to "Paine")
p. 44
Line 8: information today. [Applause] (added)
TESTIMONY of Harrison Livingstone
p. 45
Line 23: Burkley, about Admiral Galloway, all the rest.
("and all the rest" changed to "all the rest")
p. 46
Line 36: so it's a conflict between reasonable surveillance for the
protection of the ("it is" changed to "it's")
p. 47
Line 21: (the [Applause] here should in fact follow Line 23: "CHAIRMAN
TUNHEIM: We appreciate you coming today.")
TESTIMONY of Max Holland
p. 48
Line 18: Commission, the panel set up by Ramsey Clark, the Rockefeller
Commission, the ("Clarke" is changed to "Clark")
Line 26: Third, all documents pertaining to overt and clandestine U.S.
efforts to
("covert" is changed to "overt")
Line 40: And in particular, I think the important governments are the
former Soviet Union ("And" added)
p. 49
Line 6: would include, for example, records possessed by the now defunct
House ("defuncted" changed to "defunct")
Line 10: specify records generated by the Special Group Augmented, an NSC
Committee that (changed from "special group augmented in NSC
Committee")
Line 24: Under E, which is personal, private papers, and this is a very
knotty
("naughty" is changed to "knotty")
Line 30: Katzenbach, who was Number 2 in the Department of Justice,
McGeorge Bundy, the (Bundy is "McGeorge," not "George")
Line 32: Central Intelligence; Allen Dulles, his predecessor; Richard
Helms, the Director ("Allan" changed to "Allen")
p. 52
Line 4: MR. HOLLAND: Well, you have a Herculean task any way you look at
it, and ("at it." Is changed to "at it, and")